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Not too familiar with flash or the dialect ...is http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php
the only page for info on it?

Could a i use the dialect to build something like this:  http://www.websitetemplates.org/free-templates/Giant-Sunflower.html

I'm not sure if you are not familiar with flash itself. I used it 
to make www.machinarium.net so why not something else.

Yes, that looks quite similar...
Oldes, Is that the only reference page..the demo page? 

Otherwise, can you recommend any good tutorial sites?

Oldes - truly awesome stuff!  In the past I only peeked at REBOL/Flash, 
but diving into it and LOVING the possibilities :)  I'll add a section 
about it to the http://re-bol.comtutorial after more experience. 
 Maybe Machinarium is REBOL's first killer app - certainly seems 
to be getting a lot of exposure.  Best of luck with it!  (just bought 
the games myself and really enjoying it :)

What do you mean "reference page"? I was not making many web pages 
using the dialect as making the game was very time consuming. But 
in the past I used it for example to make this site http://miss3.cz/

I don't think that there is someone else using the dialect so it's 
very unlikely there are any other tutorials. BTW the version used 
on my site is quite old. I would like to update it soon.

haha.. cool how scrollbars are made :) .. Oldes this flash dialect 
of you is sort of a mistery to all of us I think :) ..is it like 
open source thing?

Nick that would be great (adding a section to your tutorial). You 
have a way of explaining stuff. I look forward to it.

Oldes, others _will_ use it if it's well documented, especially when 
they know that Machinarium was created with it.  If you have a chance 
to upload the newest version of REBOL/flash, you'll have my undying 
gratitude :)  ... I'm reading and re-reading the examples now and 
organizing how to document important parts of the dialect, and basics 
of using it.  I think you could attract some of the flash development 
community if documentation is presented and promoted the right way 
- it's such a light and useful tool to create swf.  And with Machinarium 
you have an extraordinary example of a beautiful working application...

My neighbour here in Ljubljana hackerspace bought Machinarium and 
showed it to me yesterda, very very very awesome!!! He also wrote 
this blogpost today .. 

http://swizec.com/blog/the-greatest-casual-game-ever-devised/swizec/1058

I have demoed Machinarium to couple of my friends who are not active 
gamers and they all seem to like it a lot. I liked this game so much 
I purchased it for myself as a X.mas present.

Janko, the Rebol/Flash dialect is basically compiler of flash(swf) 
files which uses own specific language - dialect for that.

I think programmers who are working(painfully) with Flash IDE every 
day would love it. I don't understand why the dialect is not well 
known in the Flash comunity. Maybe because you need to learn from 
the examples on the website and also get Rebol in your mind a bit 
;)

The REBOL/Flash dialect should have been mentionned in Machinarium's 
credits.

Btw, I will buy a Machinarium full version, I've enjoyed playing 
the demo. That would be the first game I'll buy since David Braben's 
"Elite" release on Amiga. ;-)

Hmm.. I think I have Elite for C64

Correction: it was "Frontier: Elite II"

I've also thought about buing the game, especially to play with my 
kids :-)

Oldes, did http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.phpget attacked?

Probably just another PHP vulnerability

I was hoping maybe an updated version was coming!

Forget PHP and user REBOL - it's not vulnerable because hardly anyone 
even knows it exists ... :)

security via obscurity

Yep - I feel quite safe :)

I don't think this is what's supposed to be at http://box.lebeda.ws/

When I hacked up the TryRebol thing someone typed in an infinite 
loop or something.  So I moved it to http://freebol.org/private/carl/tryrebol/

But I imagine the infinite loop was testing and not malice.

Nick, if you get hacked... you can just log on to altme and ask... 
"who did it?"   ;-)

I watch the web server log go by, random hacking attempts for software 
I don't have installed.  Anyone could just type in a random url, 
look at the debugging output, find that (for instance) and bring 
down the server.  But it seems no hackers are interested in doing 
so.  :)

Nick, it's exactly what's supposed to be there :) It's a personal 
server and has no main page. There's only a picture that cahnges 
from time to time.

Yes... and I don't have admin rights to this server... the admin 
changed something in conf. and now the rewrite_mod is not working.

It's not attacked.

Oldes, do you want a different host for it?  I've got a shared host 
account you could use, and rebolflash.com is available.  Gimme the 
word and I'll set it up :)

I've got a pagenest downloaded copy of the site contents that would 
make it fairly easy to reconstruct the site, if you have any problems...

I have another site where I can host it, but not so much time to 
move it now.

Oldes, the machinarium seems to be quite well known. I do hope you 
people have plans for wider distribution and/or sequel. For example 
it's been recently mentioned on PlayStation EU-blog comments, as 
an comparision basis for other indie games.


See message #4 on http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/01/19/monsters-probably-stole-my-princess/#comments

Machinarium called a beautiful program in Verity Stob article:
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/03/01/stob_flash/
[page 4, last paragraph]

...But not liked quite as much by Microsoft:

    http://www.xblafans.com/indie-adventure-game-machinarium-refused-for-xbla-41.html

Oldes, are you available for potential contract work in REBOL/flash? 
 I'd like to build a videoconference app to connect with my Flash 
Media Server.

Unfortunately at this moment I don't have much free time available. 
It depends when you would like it to happen.

Whenever your schedule clears a bit, please let me know.  I've already 
got working applications which I use commercially (slightly tweaked 
versions of source that my FMS host provided).  I can use those apps 
until you're available, but I would much prefer to have everything 
written and editable in REBOL/Flash dialect.  If it's ok with you, 
I'll likely want to release the applications as open source. I think 
a useful videoconference application written in REBOL would be a 
"killer app" that might bring some attention to REBOL (and REBOL/flash 
:)  I'll be waiting eagerly...

Oldes, are you in fact playing with moving Flash stuff to HTML5? 
 Or even to some combo of HTML+JavaScript?
I know a compny looking to get their products moved over.

I don't think so. Why should I? I want to stay far away from the 
crossbrowser hell. Or is it already safe? Also I don't know if I 
have something where I could use it now.

I don't have much time for my /flash dialect itself. And there is 
still many things to improve.

Why should I
 


Crossbrowser hell is indeed hell, but it could be very profitable, 
and you are sitting on a lot of it already.  

But, just asking...

I just don't understand what it shoud do. A form builder or what? 
What's so great on HTML5?

The hype!

to me... mainly canvas & video built-in

Oldes, there is nothing "great" about anything out there................... 
the question is, what is anyone willing to work on?

and pay for. ;-)