[REBOL] Re: IOS account (was RE: Re: Is this a bug ([5 <])?)
From: ingo:2b1 at: 22-Nov-2002 7:17
Hi Petr,
Petr Krenzelok wrote:
> Ingo Hohmann wrote:
>
> > Hi Oldes,
> >
> > I'm normally not in the "me too" business, but that'been exactly, what
> > I always wanted to say about IOS.
> >
> > Well, the shortcomings of the "experts" are simply that they aren't
> > used, but I guess they _could_ be usefull.
> >
> > But you are living right about conference - it doesn't even scale to
> > busy days among the few people using it. Anything without threading is
> > useless on larger discussion volumes.
>
> I am not so sure here... It is chat, not some "stupid" off-line ml. I
> remember my heavy usage of IRC and threading in on-line chat would
> completly fail ...
I don't know, I never chatted. But I'm not able to follow the conference
on busy days. And the stupid remark is from you - does this mean
anything? :-)
> Yes, some features are missing, but business related
> ones ... e.g. ability to flag message to some topic for central
> knowledge-base usage etc. What I am worried about however, is IOS
> scalability - it has really its limits for quite low amount of users.
> Some time ago Carl told us, that RT solved that problem, but it was
> not introduced to IOS yet. Maybe on other servers, I don't know ...
Hope to see it soon.
>> It should be easy to add threading, though. But still, it wouldn't
>> be as accesible as a mailing list.
You would need to be "in" to be "in" - use Rebol to some extent to be
able to get to the list, use something additionally to your mailer (I
guess nearly everyone with access to the web uses email).
> > On Cyphres styles, there's a remark to not spread them outside the
> > developers server - that's why I'm not really using them. Of course
> > this only hampers their evolution, imo.
>
> Who said that?
users/cyphre/style-set/readme.txt
> We just need to stabilise a bit. Some developers invest
> tens of hours into the stuff, as free time permits them to do so. They
> test, I test, I give a feedback.
Could be a problem with my install - all my files are from around july.
They _are_ flagged as "not in sync" but that happens so often, I don't
pay much attention any more.
After all, I'm only toying around with Rebol in some personal projects.
So I don't feel expert enough to be of much help - though testing would
be possible, but see above.
> Romano and Cyphre can tell you, that I
> will not agree to something less than realtime. Said that, AltMe would
> NOT go thru my QA service ;-)
>
> You can await powerfull and auto-resize system in beta hopefully next
> week ... we can release to ml, if ppl are interested. I think, that
> especially for auto-resize system, ppl should test it, as RT is not
> sure about its addition to VID.It would be good to have feedback from
> more ppl ...
I've seen some of the examples: I like it! It should be added to vid, imo.
>> And missing offline usability is something I once told Carl about,
>> got no answer, though. But I guess they are targetting those with
>> "always on" connections, too sad.
>>
>> I hope scalability of IOS will improve over time, don't forget its at
>> 1.0 for now.
>
> IOS, otoh, is targeted mainly to businesses. RT would have set proper
> VAR/OEM sales channels, tech support and have clear roadmap for
> product development, and something like that costs money. How many new
> reblets we saw introduced last year?
>
> Some of us, especially those coming from business sphere, would like
> to see IOS grow.
I don't come from a business standpoint, but I'd like it to grow, too.
If I didn't bother - well, I wouldn't ;-)
> I think that some of us will offer its further development to RT, so
> it will be up to them to decide. IOS is good product, but if not
> developed further (even marketing-wise), well ... who knows what
> happens ;-)
Weeell, I've seen aggressive marketing win too often over good products,
I won't sjpeculate on that.
Kind regards,
Ingo
