AltME groups: search

If you have an RSS reader

damn! no luck.

>> ls
BSD-License.txt  change-log.txt   clients/         docs/
handlers/        libs/            protocols/       services/
uni-engine.r
>> uniserve-path: %./
== %./
>> do %uni-engine.r
Script: "UniServe kernel" (17-Jan-2010)
Script: "Encap virtual filesystem" (21-Sep-2009)
== true
>> uniserve/boot
booya
.

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/business/rss.xml
** Script Error: Cannot use path on none! value
** Where: process-task
** Near: if any [
    zero? shared/pool-max
    shared/pool-max > shared/pool-count
] [fork]
either

ok, now another question. Let's say that currently you know, that 
there is http://www.rebol.com/RSs/calc-time.r, so you know direct 
path ... how much penalty will there be with Chord, if you do something 
like send-message [calk-time-:-at-rebol-com], simply if it will start 
to look up?

If that holds -- does a Rebol header contain meta-values?  Is RSS 
meta-content of a web site?  Is this discussion meta-meta?  (ok, 
too far...)

so, I'm somewhat pessemistic about a community collaboration on such 
a project.


Pessimism implies something can fail…what can fail here?  Centralized 
information does not exist.  Building a site that centralizes information 
instantly accomplished the goal, as long as it can be updated by 
the very creation of information.  If it was nothing but an RSS transponder 
it would already accomplish something.


The trick to all of this is simply opening everything up.  Which 
brings up another great example, you blog, and your blogs have 0 
comments.  I blog (to a more private forum not computer related), 
I get anywhere between 20 and 100 comments.  But it is because I'm 
linked off a centralized feed.


People need to be invited in, given places to go, and know that things 
are happening.

the irc client is passable, the news reader is good, though i prefer 
using a separate rss reader.  exporting bookmarks and moving them 
to another computer is easy.

Not just relevant to Christianity --->  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/world/middleeast/06stone.html?_r=1&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss&oref=slogin

Is that what happens normally?  The text of the blog is also included 
in the RSS feed?

I've got a reply. Moving this conversation to emit rss group.

Reichart,
 

1. Are there plans to provide an RSS feed (or multiple feeds) trigger 
by AltMe world activity? 

I would like to be alerted to my RSS reader when updates are made. 

It is not so necessary for Rebol3 but I am proposing an Altme use 
where activity might start out less frequent. 


2. Is the AltME export capability that Rebol3 has for the public 
groups a general use feature of a SafeWorld?

So….


We have already put RSS, iCal, and iFrame feeds (syndication) into 
Qtask.  If you post these in a Rebol project calendar (on Qtask), 
then you can create a feed from it, and post it publicly!  You can 
even post the entire JavaScript Calendar into the page of a public 
website (like Rebol.org, etc.)

http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/builds/irc-core-client/irc-core-client.r

I've used Graham's code a lot --especially for hefting RSS files 
into REBOL format. It works well.

Yeah, the internal function that RSS plugins on Azureus use broke 
at some point, so I'm doing it this way now.  Much nicer, as I can 
collect more information, etc

Brian .. I am not sure if this is up to the level of Lambda the ultimate 
.. LtU in my rss reader but I only understand 30% of articles :)

I used it and modified it too a few years ago... I have 5 simultaneous 
feeds of different types (rss, search engines, xml-web-app) with 
updates and animation.

it was pretty stable once I wrapped an attempt around every close 
port in the source.... otherwise, for some reason it would crash 
rebol arbitrarily .

It would be nice to have an RSS Feed for the "What's new " section 
on the Script Library home page.

Sunanda, Can it be a manually maintained xml file until it can be 
automated?  I am doing that for my internal blog until I add the 
automation code to blog. r (that I expect Carl already has on his 
version).  I have a trigger for when a blog article is added to use 
"editor ftp://...../rss.xml"to make whatever additions that I want 
to expose via RSS.  It's suboptimal but I don't have any complaints 
from the people that they have to visit the pages to see What's New. 
 And since they weren't visiting regularly to poll for What's New 
anyway, if the RSS feed it updated a few hours later it is still 
an improvement.

Mike, I'd rather wait until the volunteer who is doing the RSS has 
added the code, rather than bypass their efforts.

Meanwhile, you have several ways of finding out what  scripts are 
new or changed on REBOL.org:
-- we'll sen doyu a tailored email

    http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/cpt-update-profile.r
    See Section 4, Notices
-- you can peek at your unsent notices to get advanced warning:

     http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/uns-display-notices.r?ml=yes&my=yes
-- You can use the LDS API:
       do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/lds-local.r

      probe lds/send-server 'list-updated-scripts [5]   ;; what's changed 
      in the last 5 days?
-- Just eyeball the script library home page:
     http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-index.r

Check out the front page of REBOL.org:
-- it tells you the latest message on the ML: when and what.

-- the RSS feed tells you all the latest action, including new/updated 
threads on the ML.

Ingo, what's needed is some sort of REBOLbot that trawls the main 
REBOL websites, takes all REBOL-related RSS feeds (and perhaps chats 
to RIXBot), and produces a regular (hourly?) summary of what's new.....That 
way people can easily go where the action is.


If someone writes such a bot, then its summaries could be published 
anywhere. REBOL.org is one possibility; though REBOLCentral was announced 
to do that sort of publicising.


But first, someone needs to write the automated REBOL newshound. 
 Any offers?

or just make them an rss feed so that you can bring them anywhere?

For those that want to set up there own site, OK, but then what they 
should do is feed an RSS to the central site.

I think of it the other way around, "send" the material in XML, RSS, 
ATOM, what ever, an let each system deal with showing it.  But no 
matter what, we need a website where all this stuff comes together.

Are you willing to provide an RSS feed?

So I am new, and I am also not that new.  I'd like to propose that 
Rebol embrace visibility in new mediums, like StackOverflow.  Anyone 
with an RSS reader might want to subscribe to the latest Rebol-related 
questions: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=rebol&sort=newest

If I'm getting this right, OF is designed to do this:

	blk: [1 two 3.0]
	parse blk [of [integer! word! decimal!]]
	== true
	parse blk [of [number! word!]]
	== false (only accounts for one number)
	parse blk [of [word! decimal! string! issue! integer!]
	== true (can be none if a given type is missing)


I have another scenario to which the word 'of would apply.  There 
are situations where I want to match one item from a block of options. 
 Currently, those options need to be pipe-separated, requiring preprocessing 
if those options come from a data source (see languages: in my emit-rss 
script for an example).   This appears in both string and block parsing. 
 An example (using IN as the hypothetical operator):

	m28: ["Feb"]
	m30: join m28 ["Apr" "Jun" "Sep" "Nov"]
	m31: join m30 ["Jan" "Mar" "May" "Jul" "Aug" "Oct" "Dec"]
	b28: repeat x 28 [append [] 29 - x]
	b30: repeat x 30 [append [] 31 - x]
	b31: repeat x 31 [append [] 32 - x]
	parse date-str [
		in b28 "-" in m28
		| in b30 "-" in m30
		| in b31 "-" in m31
	]

This would be true for "1-Jan" "30-Sep" and false for "31-Feb".

we will have to wait for A3:( but I still use the old alfa version 
of Rebol/Core with this script: http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/projects/a-pgsql/latest/a-pgsql.r

I would like to make a IRC client from it as I have in rebol/plugin: 
http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/builds/irc-plugin/

I don't need to ban them:) I would prefere to play with them:) Never 
mind, I will probably make the Rebol formated output anyway. If I 
have RSS output why not to have REBOL output as well. Maybe it could 
be used in the furure, when Rebol will be able to display rich text.

Having REBOL formatted output is / can be a good idea: REBOL.org 
will supply its RSS that way if you ask it nicely:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/rss-get-feed.r?format=rebol

But *automatically* supplying a different version to a bot than that 
you would show to a human is called cloaking and the search engines 
don't like it at all.

If they spot what you are doing, they may ban you from their indexes 
completely.

Yes.

If you clicked the link I gave above, then you saw a page served 
as text/html  [probably should be textplain -- so I've changed it]
If you try format=rss then you get a page served as text/xml


In both cases, the output is not meant for humans: one format is 
for REBOL and one for RSS readers.

As I said, the RSS feed is explicitly intended to feed data to other 
programs for formatting, so it doesn't (perhaps can't) look nice.

All the info is available in human friendly ways elsewhere on the 
site, eg:

script library changes: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-index.r

Hi, I'm looking into Chris' emit-rss.r script, however, when I run 
the

usage example provided in the header, all I get in the my-feed.rss 
file
is this:

No Item Author Details - "Journal Entry title...."


I believe it is used on Carl's blogs, so I'm surprised, it should 
be working. 

Thanks in advance for any valuable clues...1

Funny, I unearhed another rss generator from the message archives 
on rebol.org. Here's the header:

REBOL [
>         Title:          "RSS Generator for Carl's Blog"
>         Date:           31-Dec-2004
>         File:           %carl-rss.r
>         Home:           http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree
>         Author:         ["Premshree Pillai" "Gregg Irwin"]
>         Version:        0.0.3

>         Purpose: {Generate valid RSS 2.0 feeds for Carl's blogs}
>     Comment: {

>         0.0.2 Massive code changes for instructional purposes. 
--Gregg

>         0.0.3 More changes, knowing Carl actually wants to use 
it. :) --Gregg
>     }
> ]

But new-blog.r (Carl's blog srirpt ) requires emit-rss.r, relegating 
the previous one to oblivion. Talking about "archebology "...

Author should be ["author" email] -- this is due to the email requirement 
in the RSS specs (you can nix it easily in emit-rss code).

RSS Feed for blog: www.rebol.net/blog/carl-rss.xml

Pretty good. But it will be nice that if it also included each page 
content. That way I will not just get title headers in my rss news 
app.

From a suggestion by Christopher Ross-Gill (thanks Chris!):


-- REBOL.org's RSS feed now has the most recent posts from the AltME 
REBOL3 world

-- You can also see the most recent posts on the website, via this 
link:
    http://www.rebol.org/aga-search.r?q=//recent


By default, both show the most recent 100 posts. You can set your 
own value between 0 and 255 -- more details below.


RSS FEED INFO
=============
See the RSS help page for more details:
   http://www.rebol.org/boiler.r?display=rss-help


WEB PAGE
=========

http://www.rebol.org/aga-search.r?q=//recent==> most recent 
100 posts by default

http://www.rebol.org/aga-search.r?q=//recent:200   ==> most recent 
200 posts

Slightly more information here:
    http://www.rebol.org/boiler.r?display=aga-search-help#toc-3

Please let me know the problems!

If, for whatever reason, you prefer Twitter over RSS, you can now 
follow Stack Overflow questions tagged REBOL on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/REBOL_SO

But this is the issue here with Rebol and XML, there are solutions 
that suit one XML operation or another.  Aiming for loosely implementing 
DOM gives us loading, extraction, modification, and saving without 
affecting the integrity of the data structure.  Examples: changing 
the title of an HTML page, adding an entry to an RSS file, etc.

We have done a little in Qtask.  WE save the tasks as XML (and call 
it XLS so that Excel can load it).
We will be writing an RSS reader soon.

solaris , I am just emitting some simple rss feeds

RSP, I use it to generate RSS feeds from Cheyenne's blog.

i guess rss-readers on stereoids?

FYI: 

Ed Pegg writes "I did a survey of all available vector-based drawing 
programs, in anticipation of SVG in the 

next Firefox. I found 29 different vector drawing programs. Of these, 
14 were free or open source. More than I 
expected. Did I miss any good ones?"
 

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/02/0117224&from=rss

there should be archive of mu ucs2 script which I use almost every 
day: http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/projects/ucs2_latest.rip

Maybe something for Rebol as well:


dsandler writes "Researchers at Rice University have just released 
version 0.7 

of FeedTree, a peer-to-peer system for distributing Web feeds faster. 
Instead of 

polling feeds independently, FeedTree users cooperate to share news 
updates 

using multicast in Pastry, a scalable p2p overlay network. FeedTree 
reduces the 

update delay for existing RSS and Atom feeds to a few minutes without 
putting 

extra stress on the webserver (anyone who's ever been temporarily 
banned by 

Slashdot's RSS feed knows this is a real concern). Feed publishers 
can also 

choose to push digitally signed updates for immediate, tamper-proof 
delivery to 

subscribers. The client software (download) runs on Linux, OS X, 
and Windows, 
and works with any desktop feed reader." 
 
http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot?m=3816

I guess one problem with a multicast tree is that if you're disseminating 
your RSS feed this way, you may not know how many subscribers there 
are.

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6064016.html?part=rss&tag=6064016&subj=news
<--- US Congress to prepare a new and tougher DCMA

Yet another attempt to be able to pull information out of the morass 
that is the WWW: SPARQL
An SQl-like language for turning RDF data into subsetted XML:

http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/11/16/introducing-sparql-querying-semantic-web-tutorial.html

If it catches on like RSS has, that'll be another publishing channel 
many websites will need to add.

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE50444120090105?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE5085DE20090109?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

Could this be a good news?


Type designers and Web designers have reached a consensus on a format 
specification for embedding fonts on the Web. Mozilla is already 
including support for the font format in Firefox 3.6, and wide adoption 
could come sooner than many expected.


http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/11/web-open-font-format-backed-by-mozilla-type-foundries.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

this is pretty crazy: The latest version of the Linux kernel currently 
consists of approximately 13 million lines of code

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/12/linux-kernel-13-million-lines-over-5-patches-per-hour.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

>> rss/run %sqlite
!!! ERRROR:
make object! [
    code: 312
    type: 'script
    id: 'cannot-use
    arg1: 'path
    arg2: 'none!
    arg3: none
    near: [any [system/script/parent/header halt]]
    where: 'attempt
]

Oldes, if I 'do %sqlite.r it works fine (the parent is set correctly). 
How is your rss/run func actually DOing the %sqlite.r script? Sounds 
like you are loading the script into a context and DOing it inline?

The code of my rss (RebolSourceSafe) is here: http://oldes.multimedia.cz/rss/projects/rss/latest/rss.r

for those who want RSS feed for Rebol3 blogs, Carl has updated it.

http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/rebol3-rss.xml

Some status (not much since Pekr told most of this):


- Improved console presentation (sounds so Windows-like, doesn't 
it? :-)) in the latest R3 alpha. http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/r3/gui/178.png

- Carl wants to do a larger release of R3 "soon". This involves a 
merge of my skin or parts of it. I'm not sure everything you see 
in screenshots can go in, because those parts are not clean enough.
- Still working on RebDev.

- Carl noted that RebDev helped him find many bugs in R3. Some of 
those are fixed.

- GUI has not progressed for a couple of weeks as I'm working on 
a big R2 project. I will get a few days in January to help, but I 
won't get more time until mid-March at best.
- Some Devbase submitted changes and fixes are added to R3.

The intended priority for RebDev front-ends is:

1. R3 Shell (doing this now)
2. HTML mobile (doing this now)
3. R3 GUI
4. HTML pretty
5. R2 Shell
6. RSS feed
7. Whatever people want to do.

sick of it

  seems a bit extreme.... there are other good reasons to check in 
  here.


But that aside, how about simply setting up an RSS feded off Carl's 
blog, and set it to pull once a month or so?

maybe the RSS feed should be HTML?

I have no knowledge of how the reader interprets the rss, but its 
the only feed of 20 which shows up this way, which is not very conducive 
or complementary

I use Safari's RSS reader and it's badly formatted there too.

do http://www.ross-gill.com/r/altxml.r

r3tweets: load-xml/dom http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/45953552.rss
                     
foreach tweet r3tweets/get-by-tag <item> [
	print ""
	print tweet/get <pubDate>
	print tweet/get <title>
]

some systeme like RSS even support multiple encodings in the same 
xml document!

Another shot at reworking my XML loader for R3: http://bit.ly/xml_rebol
- works mostly, try:

	rss: load-xml/dom http://www.rebol.com/article/carl-rss.xml
	entries: rss/get-by-tag <item>
	foreach entry entries [probe entry/get <title>]

However trips at the first line of the first example:

	html: load-xml/dom http://w3.org

as follows:

	>> do http://www.ross-gill.com/r/r3xml.r
	Script: "XML for REBOL 3" Version: 0.2.0 Date: 22-Oct-2009
	>> html: load-xml/dom http://w3.org

 ** Access error: protocol error: "Redirect to other host - requires 
 custom handling"


	>> html: load-xml/dom http://www.w3.org
	Segmentation fault

On 2.100.90.2.5

Just in Mozilla: Was reading rss in sage, opened bookmark-editor, 
moved bookmarks, sage was updated. i think liquid is for such things. 
also the wiring can be shown graphically. Have seen that with Visual 
Age did that long ago. If it is well done its not a bad idea. I still 
fear it will be hard to debug, since all this wiring is invisible. 
Or maybe: it was to easy to create for me. BAck in that days i found 
such connetion-stuff cool and created a lot spagethi. (was not using 
VA, that method worked with pure oops too^^)

Doc - think you need to check the Cheyenne blog rss setup, when I 
subscribed and followed a link it went 404 and pointed to the following.


http://softinnov.org/article/0017.html

rather than -


http://softinnov.org/cheyenne/blog.cgi?view=0017

FYI, Rod.

RSS links fixed.

Has anyone written Atom or RSS output code in RSP? I am going to 
need to do so right away and every possible speedup helps.

I remember an RSS output snippet. It's probably in the REBOL library

http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=emit-rss.r

The only case where this method doesn't work is when you need to 
send back XML data with embedded HTML (RSS for example). So your 
request is justified.

Yeah, you could make a realtime RSS feeder easily with web sockets.

... CSS, database access, acting as a proxy to servers, JQuery, Google 
map integration, Amazon S3, OpenID, AtomAPI and other RSS integration, 
Delicious... man, i HATE that stuff.

Btw, a RSS feed is available for the Cheyenne blog.

Good reasons, and I agree, the best way to do this.
We nee da universal XML export import with ID compare.  



In other words, CureCode needs to be able to export itself as XML 
(Easy).
It needs to import XML (Easy)


It needs to import XML and update the old XML keying on some ID value. 
 Not so easy.


Once done, building things like RSS feeds with just the top 10 recent 
changes becomes easy.


Also, then we can sync Qtask and CureCode.  There are a lot of cool 
side effects though…


-	We have an integrated file share, so you can link to screen shots.
-	Qtask has the ability to have conversation about each issue.
-	You can throw your issues onto a calendar view.


I know this is not your concern right now, but this is the direction 
we are going in, and need to learn how to best allow this type of 
integration.  Much as you have made one thing to test another, we 
have the same problem constantly.

I've thought about interfacing with external world. I need first 
to define a consistent kernel for CureCode (partially done in the 
DB abstraction layer) then I could easily interface with outside 
world through reb|web-services, REST, XML, RSS,...

an RSS feed per bug

I'm planning to add a customizable RSS feed for each ticket for managing 
notifications. I would like also to remind everyone of the CureCode 
API that enable any REBOL coder to easily build any kind of clients 
(making a tool that checks on some tickets changes should be trivial). 
See http://rebol.net/wiki/CureCode#API_documentation

Btw, I've also thought about adding a XMPP interface for sending 
notifications directly to your favorite Jabber-compatible instant 
messenger. Maybe better than a RSS feed, I guess more people are 
using an IM client than a RSS client.

problem with IM is that when you're not there they usually aren't 
as well managed for looking up stuff "after the fact" 

rss clients on the other hand are optimized specifically for that 
use case

I made the following changes on my dev instance of CureCode:

	o FEAT: Added the ability to move tickets between projects.
	o FEAT: New search field: "User".
	o FEAT: New isolated search field: "Commented by".
	o FEAT: RSS feed added for projects changes.
	
	o FIX: double line breaks in PRE tags in comments removed.
	o FIX: stats bar graphs were never displaying per-project stats.


I'll put it online tomorrow. If I missed an important bug to fix, 
let me know.

CureCode new version 0.9.12 is online. (see changes 4 messages above)


RSS-based notifications were added both at project and at ticket 
level :

- project notifications: ticket added/deleted/moved, comment added/changed/deleted, 
status changed
- ticket notifications: any change


I'll monitor this group in the next days for any issue caused by 
this new release. I also might add a couple new minor features in 
the meantime. Once this release is stabilized, I'll upgrade the source 
archive.

Btw, RSS notifications can be accessed from the RSS icon on the upper-right 
corner of tickets list and tickets details page. Default polling 
delays are provided in the RSS feeds, but if your looking for long-term 
changes on a given ticket, I recommend you to set your RSS reader 
polling delay to 24h for the tickets feed.

The RSS feeds seem to work in Google Reader.

I just noticed that the ticket RSS link is in a fixed location but 
the ticket itself isn't: it depends on whether the < > navigator 
buttons are there. It doesn't look bad either way, but you might 
consider moving it down a few pixels.

Direct ticket references like those from the RSS or typed out here 
cause the no-arrow-buttons thing. That makes it easy to check the 
alignment.

Upgrade done. Changes:

o FEAT: Short URLs for tickets direct referencing added.

o FIX: double escaping of HTML entities in description and comments 
removed.

o FIX: vertical spacing of RSS image when navigation buttons are 
not present.

I've changed the format of the GUID field in RSS feeds, so you'll 
get duplicate entries for the recent changes, just ignore them or 
delete the old ones.

but each scheme will have its own  callbacks.  some schemes might 
support headers, others not... for example, in my http rss reader, 
I had a callback for the file size.  if it was too large, I'd refuse 
the rest of the read and close the port...

Adrian, that's what RSS feeds were supposed to be for, though. I'm 
not sure how much of a good idea it is to replace distributed technologies 
with centralized ones, but it looks like humans go for popular ideas, 
not good ones.

Twitter is cool in the simple case where ONE wants to broadcase a 
message to many.  Any "warning" system is a perfect match.

Things that update people of something, esp. like servers telling 
a team (think Nagios), this is all pretty cool.


But, it would be better to have one system, tags, and then let the 
UI decide what to do with it all.


So Email, Chat, Twitter, even RSS are one "system", and something 
in it tells the UI what to do with it.

I follow a lot of RSS feeds and I find that Twitter is a system that 
is pretty good at leading me to find things to follow in more depth, 
RSS being one such mechanism. I guess it's the noise approach that 
actually brings value for me - if something should be looked at, 
others that share your interests will likely pick up on it too and 
the "signal" strength will increase for that subject. 


Gabriele, I'm just curious how you, in particular, determine which 
information out there is "good". Twitter isn't a medium that qualifies 
the information it publishes - you investigate the links just as 
you would with Google search results - only Twitter is more up-to-date. 
Reichart: I'd like a unified system too, but it's not there yet.

A friend of mine built a very cool system that weighed RSS feeds, 
sort of like how Netflix weighs movie ratings.  It was real time. 
 But no one understood how cool it was.

So for example, you might want all feeds that mention REBOL.  You 
set it to grab 100%, in so doing, and since I know you, if I even 
ask for 5% of my news to be REBOL, it would give me a little more 
since others that I know really like "REBOL" related stuff.  

http://jaanix.com/
 
Play with it.  He works for Skype now.

Adrian, the same "others will share it" works with RSS, it's not 
necessary to have a single company "owning" the messages.


But, if all you do is share links and look at the most popular ones, 
then isn't reddit a much better choice?

I was done anyways. If anything interesting is posted in the Red 
GG, I would appreciate if it were linked here. Otherwise I might 
not see it for weeks. Or does GG have RSS or Atom feeds of their 
posts?