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            title: "REBOLers of the year!"
            link: http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?offset=0&post=r3wp558x338
            date: 13-Jan-2012
            content: "Congratulations to Kaj de Vos and Nenad Rakocevic"
        ] make object! [
            title: "REBOL news"
            link: http://rebolweek.blogspot.com/
            date: 10-Dec-2011
            content: {For regular news of all things REBOL, please visit the REBOL blog}
        ] make object! [
            title: "Try REBOL in a browser"
            link: http://tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl/
            date: 16-Oct-2009
            content: {Run a REBOL console in a web browser. No need to download anything. Works with R2 and R3-alphas.}
        ] make object! [
            title: "REBOL - A Programmer's Guide"
            link: http://auverlot.fr/index.php?perma=1224333460
            date: 25-Feb-2008
            content: {First English language edition now available for download.}
        ] make object! [
            title: "REBOL3 - alphas"
            link: http://www.rebol.com/r3/alpha-intro.html
            date: 9-May-2009
            content: {Alpha versions of REBOL3 are now available. Come and join the testing and development!}
        ]]
    library-news: [make object! [
            title: "Script owners stats"
            link: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-owners-stats.r
            date: 18-Feb-2006
            content: {Additional statistics now available for the scripts you own. They include recent referrer information so you can see how external searches (from Google and elsewhere) have help people find your scripts. Also, a summary on each script if any Library member has marked it a a public favorite. [More on favorites here: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/boiler.r?display=fav-edit-help}
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            world-name: "r3wp"
            description: "REBOL3 web-public posts"
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            posts: [make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "BrianH"
                    post: [332 23-Feb-2012 {I've been hoping to fix that. I can load a hot-patch into R2, and include a patch in a host kit build in R3 or replace functions from %rebol.r if necessary.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [333 23-Feb-2012 {Ok I try to resume our concern.
The url! and email! syntax is more permissive than a valid URI. It's not a problem nor a design flaw.
The escape decoding should not be done at all when decoded as a part of an url! or email!. Right, but it will not be corrected until Carl does it.
DECODE-URL can be rewritten (used by schemes). The parser is too strict and can't deal with complex forms.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [334 23-Feb-2012 {Lot of inconsistencies with file! datatype between R2 and R3.
Escaping notation = huge mess}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [335 23-Feb-2012 {you can use 2 forms for file! :
in R2
- %"*"  quoted sting file, with ^^ escape notation allowed
- %*  Form  with %ff escape notation allowed  
in R3
- quoted string file works fine
- in the %* form, the % escape notation works fine but the ^^ char mess up  things in some cases without issuing an error}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [336 23-Feb-2012 {In the %* form, R3 should recognise the ^^ char as a normal char (not one escaping notation) as R2 does.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [337 23-Feb-2012 {So for the moment; I think it's better to reject the ^^ char in the R3 syntax}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [338 23-Feb-2012 {yeah, its surely some left over copy/paste code from the string loader, left in the file loader by error.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "BrianH"
                    post: [339 23-Feb-2012 {Worse than being a huge mess, R2 and R3 have different messes. R2 MOLD fails to encode the % character properly. R3 chokes on the ^^ character in unquoted mode, and allows both ^^ and % escaping in quoted mode, and MOLDs the ^^ character without encoding it (a problem because it chokes on that character). Overall the R2 MOLD problem is worse than all of the R3 problems put together because % is a more common character in filenames than ^^, but both need fixing. I wish it just did one escaping method for files, % escaping, or did only % escaping for unquoted files and only ^^ escaping for quoted files. % escaping doesn't support Unicode characters over 255, but no characters like that need to be escaped anyways - they can be written directly.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "BrianH"
                    post: [340 23-Feb-2012 {R2 file! syntax may have more problems that I'm not aware of though.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "BrianH"
                    post: [341 23-Feb-2012 {I guess that I just want the escaping behavior Steeve described for R2, but with the MOLD of %%25 fix from R3, along with % by itself being interpreted as and molding as %"".}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [342 24-Feb-2012 {file-char: complement union charset {%:@} termination-char
file-char/#"/": true^-;** #"/" added
file-syntax: [
^-#"%" [
^-^-quoted-string
^-^-| any [file-char | escape-uri] ;** fail on ^^ char
^-] termination
]
alternative-syntax R2 file-syntax: [
^-#"%" [
^-^-quoted-string
^-^-| some [file-char | escape-uri | #"^^^^"]  ;** ^^ valid char
^-] termination
]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [343 24-Feb-2012 {Missing rules...
path! refinement! date! time! 
Anything else ???}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [344 24-Feb-2012 "pair!"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [345 24-Feb-2012 {Sources
https://github.com/rebolsource/rebol-syntax}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [346 24-Feb-2012 {I don't see to recognise the serialized version of the few datatypes which have it...
 #[true] #[false] #[none] [#function [][] ]  [#object [] ]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [347 24-Feb-2012 "yep"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Cyphre"
                    post: [348 24-Feb-2012 "image!"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [349 24-Feb-2012 "#[list![]]  #[hash![]]"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [350 24-Feb-2012 {Okkkkk, there is a huge list for the serialized ones ;-)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [351 24-Feb-2012 "money!    1.00%"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [352 24-Feb-2012 "percent!"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Cyphre"
                    post: [353 24-Feb-2012 "date! time!..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Cyphre"
                    post: [354 24-Feb-2012 "bitset!..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [355 24-Feb-2012 "path! set-path! lit-path!"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [356 24-Feb-2012 "Well..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Cyphre"
                    post: [357 24-Feb-2012 {just write: ? datatype! in the console to get some list}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [358 24-Feb-2012 "I will focus on the annoying ones for now"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [359 24-Feb-2012 {date has many variations, its probably the more complex one left}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [360 24-Feb-2012 "yep"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [361 24-Feb-2012 {actually,  path! also has a few quirks, like allowing parens and the use of a  get-set-word at the end}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [362 24-Feb-2012 {but path! needs all the other dataypes to be finished first}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [363 24-Feb-2012 {no, afaik,  just paren!, word and its own additional format quirks.     as the global block definition expacts, so too will parens, and thus the path.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [364 24-Feb-2012 "expacts... expands"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [365 24-Feb-2012 {So, path! is not complex in that regard (values separated by '/')}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [366 24-Feb-2012 {yeah, just have to find the values which are valid in a path (not all types are valid, at least in R2)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [367 24-Feb-2012 "Agreed"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [368 24-Feb-2012 {tag! yes, string! no.   for example:

>> block: [55 "abc" [test] <tag> [test]]
== [55 "abc" [test] <tag> [test2]]
>> block/"abc"
** Syntax Error: Invalid path -- block/
** Near: (line 1) block/"abc"
>> block/("abc")
== [test]
>> block/<tag>
== [test2]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [369 24-Feb-2012 {I bet you didn't know tags where usable directly  ?  not many think about it, but since tags are strings, they make a lot of sense for representing XML tree structures... and indeed, I used them when I had namespaced tags.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [370 24-Feb-2012 "Sorry, I knew ;-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [371 24-Feb-2012 {hehe.  but it may adds another complexity to the  <  parsing rule maybe some precedende in the rule will be required to make sure the this/<tag> isn't short-circuited by another simpler rule.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [372 24-Feb-2012 {maybe some precedende in the rule == .  Maybe some precedende manipulations in the rules}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [373 24-Feb-2012 {Ok, I will go first with time! because date! needs it}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [374 24-Feb-2012 {remember that there are two different time formats.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [375 24-Feb-2012 "Say ?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [376 24-Feb-2012 "[ ##:##:## opt [decimal]] |  ##:## ]"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [377 24-Feb-2012 {actually... strike that... I just discovered how twisted the loader is .}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [378 24-Feb-2012 "Oh, there are more weird forms than that ;-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [379 24-Feb-2012 {I just discovered that this is valid:
>> 3:3.4
== 0:03:03.4
a dangerous gotcha since:
>> 3:3
== 3:03}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [380 24-Feb-2012 ":0^/0:+^/-1:0"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [381 24-Feb-2012 "uhuh"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [382 24-Feb-2012 "lol^/>> :111111^/== 1851:51"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [383 24-Feb-2012 {maybe we can note to this effect within the comments, to indicate how the time shifts when two or three number values are in the time.
hehe I can see a noob scratching his head  ;-)

3:03     == 3:03:00  
3.03.4  == 0:03:03.4}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [384 24-Feb-2012 "fast division by 60"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [385 24-Feb-2012 "wow this one is vile:^/0:+"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [386 24-Feb-2012 {its ironic that the above will load but that a single comma with kill the loader   :-)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [387 24-Feb-2012 {I can't use the time! rule inside date!, the allowed forms are different.
Youpiiiiiiiiii}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [388 24-Feb-2012 {Trolololol :)))))

time-syntax: [
[
^-and [#":" digit]^-^-; :##  
^-| sign^-^-^-; +:, -:
^-| opt sign some digit   : +-##:
]
1 2 [
^-#":" not #"." [
^-^-opt #"+" any digit #"." any digit not #":"^-; :+##.##
^-^-| #"-." any digit not #":"^-^-^-^-; :-.##:
^-^-| opt #"+" some digit^-^-^-^-; :+##:
^-^-| #"+"^-^-^-^-^-^-; :+:
^-^-| #"-" any #"0"^-^-^-^-^-; :-00:,  :-:
^-]
] termination
]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [389 24-Feb-2012 "simple enough   ;-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [390 24-Feb-2012 "Only if it works"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [391 24-Feb-2012 "not tested on R2 though"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [392 24-Feb-2012 {All that complication because 'minus' is allowed where it makes no sense}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [393 24-Feb-2012 "Missed one case already..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [394 24-Feb-2012 {time-syntax: [
[
^-and [#":" digit]^-^-; :##  
^-| sign^-^-^-^-; +:, -:
^-| opt sign some digit   : +-##:
]
1 2 [
^-#":" not #"." [
^-^-opt #"+" any digit #"." any digit not #":"^-; :+##.##
^-^-| #"-" any #"0" #"." any digit not #":"^-^-; :-00.##:
^-^-| opt #"+" some digit^-^-^-^-; :+##:
^-^-| #"+"^-^-^-^-^-^-^-; :+:
^-^-| #"-" any #"0"^-^-^-^-^-; :-00:,  :-:
^-]
] termination
]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [395 6-Mar-2012 "Committed, did not check it, though."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [396 6-Mar-2012 {About short Date syntax .
A valid month is taken from system/locale/months:
== ["January" "February" "March" "April" "May" "June"
    "July" "August" "September" "October" "November" "December"
]
The month must be 3 letters a least, but longer sub-strings are valid forms as well:
eg. 1-Jan-2000, 1-Janu-2000, 1-Janua-2000,1-Januar-2000,1-January-2000.

One can do a simple rebol function to pick-up a valid month from system/locale/months.
Doing this only with plain formal static parse rules would be painfull because it should include all the valid sub-strings.
eg. ["Jan" | "Janu" | "Janua" | ...]

What do you think ?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [397 6-Mar-2012 {I try to resume my thought.
Is it valid to run some code in the rules using (...) ?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [398 6-Mar-2012 "Hmm, that is what we wanted to not use..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [399 6-Mar-2012 {No () please, but you can of course use code to generate the static rule in the first place :)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [400 6-Mar-2012 {[
    "Jan" | "Janu" | "Janua" | "Januar" | "January" |
    "Feb" | "Febr" | "Febru" | "Februa" | "Februar" | "February" |
    "Mar" | "Marc" | "March" |
    "Apr" | "Apri" | "April" |
    "May" |
    "Jun" | "June" |
    "Jul" | "July" |
    "Aug" | "Augu" | "Augus" | "August" |
    "Sep" | "Sept" | "Septe" | "Septem" | "Septemb" | "Septembe" | "September" |
    "Oct" | "Octo" | "Octob" | "Octobe" | "October" |
    "Nov" | "Nove" | "Novem" | "Novemb" | "Novembe" | "November" |
    "Dec" | "Dece" | "Decem" | "Decemb" | "Decembe" | "December"
]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Steeve"
                    post: [401 6-Mar-2012 {Even something like that ?

months: {-January-February-March-April-May-June-July-August-September-October-November-December}
check-month: use [sav *month][
^-[copy *month [#"-" 3 20 letters] sav: :months to *month :sav]
]
probe parse "1-Marc-2000" [1 2 digits check-month #"-" 1 4 digits]}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [402 6-Mar-2012 "Yes, strictly no code blocks in the rules."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [403 6-Mar-2012 "Just use the generated block :)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [404 6-Mar-2012 {(Ah, and no "advanced" parse constructs. Trying to stay PEG compatible.)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [405 6-Mar-2012 {The order of subwords in the above "exhaustive rule" shall be reversed, though.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [406 6-Mar-2012 "month-names rule committed"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [407 6-Mar-2012 {(Ahem, yes of course. Thanks for fixing that, Ladislav.)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4023 7-Mar-2012 "Does anyone know how to change the world password?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4024 7-Mar-2012 "did you forget the rebol4 master passwed?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4025 7-Mar-2012 {no, I used a personal one for the world (not master), that I don't wish to share.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4026 7-Mar-2012 {but... something strange is happening. I can't login and neither can Gregg.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4027 7-Mar-2012 "I can't log in on rebol4 either"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4028 7-Mar-2012 {The world is running, but noone is allowed to log in.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4029 7-Mar-2012 {could it be that you can't change the IP of the world server so quickly?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Davide"
                    post: [4030 7-Mar-2012 "rebol4 just said me to check password"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4031 7-Mar-2012 {I've found a problem: I ask to run the Rebol4 world, but starts a new "rebol4" world instead.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4032 7-Mar-2012 "with one user"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4033 7-Mar-2012 "case sensitivity problem"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4034 7-Mar-2012 {There must be some obvious step I'm missing or this is a very, very nasty bug.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4035 7-Mar-2012 {The serving directories are renamed on disk from "Rebol4" to "rebol4".}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [5503 7-Mar-2012 {http://www.altme.com/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi?lookup=rebol4

To get the WNS to refresh, the world must be started from the GUI, not via the CLI.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4036 7-Mar-2012 {Henrik - world password != master password? Long time since I set-up some world last time ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4037 7-Mar-2012 {The world runs fine, but it only has one user. When I look in the users.set file, all users from before are there.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4038 7-Mar-2012 {yes, the world password is created once, when you create the world. unfortunately I used a personal one, and didn't think anything about it.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4039 7-Mar-2012 {Henrik, within my current session I am logged into the rebol3 world
The world I try to REconnect to is *not* Rebol4  it *was*  rebol4}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4040 7-Mar-2012 {well, it seems that worlds are not case sensitive in some cases and are in others.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4041 7-Mar-2012 {because my server folder had a sub-folder named "Rebol4" before, which now has changed to "rebol4".}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4042 7-Mar-2012 {but there must be some other or deeper connection, as it does not recognize the user list from that folder. but it also doesn't create a new one.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4043 7-Mar-2012 "very strange... the invite does mention Rebol4"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4044 7-Mar-2012 {yes, that's how it started out. after attempting to restart it, it seemed to become partially case sensitive.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4045 7-Mar-2012 {I've tried it both under OSX and Windows, but both produce same behavior.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4046 7-Mar-2012 "So we lost rebol4 content?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4047 7-Mar-2012 "You still have it locally."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4048 7-Mar-2012 "I can't even connect to the world now."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4049 7-Mar-2012 "that should not happen"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4050 7-Mar-2012 {henrik - are you looking into the correct directory? There is directory called worlds, and the one called servers}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4051 7-Mar-2012 {I don't get why there is a "rebol4" folder in my "servers" folder with everything that needs to be there in it. Yet, when I start, it says that I have only one user.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4052 7-Mar-2012 {yes, I'm looking in the "servers" folder.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4053 7-Mar-2012 {The inconsistency that may be causing the problem is a partial case sensitivity. It screws up something somewhere.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4054 7-Mar-2012 {the world name in my altme files folders are all lower-case.  so I guess that is how it generates them, to be sure they are transparent on POSIX filestores which are case-sensitive.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4055 7-Mar-2012 {ok, the world is not accessible, because I tried to start it from windows and my router is set to my macbook. moving it back again...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4056 7-Mar-2012 "started again"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4057 7-Mar-2012 {I'm guessing the world name is stored somewhere inside the server folder's "rebol4" file.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4058 7-Mar-2012 "file = folder."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4059 7-Mar-2012 "my world name says REBOL4, all capitals"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4060 7-Mar-2012 "hmm, wrong password too ..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4061 7-Mar-2012 {btw - check your processes. What in fact is screwed, is bug in world serving!}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4062 7-Mar-2012 "I can connect again, but invalid password."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4063 7-Mar-2012 {if you serve more than one world, there are cases, when altme.com sends to to incorrect ports ....}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4064 7-Mar-2012 "yes, so that part works as expected."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4065 7-Mar-2012 "aren't you running more than one world?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4066 7-Mar-2012 "nope, just this one."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4067 7-Mar-2012 {but going to purge all altme processes from the macbook and try again.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4068 7-Mar-2012 {The world "Rebol4" at 78.156.98.239 port 5400 is reachable.

Your users should be able to connect to it.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4069 7-Mar-2012 "Are you expecting it on port 5400?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4070 7-Mar-2012 {something occurred to me: Between world restarts, altme upgraded itself from 1.2.21 to 1.2.25.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4071 7-Mar-2012 "on windows, the latest version is 1.2.26."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4072 7-Mar-2012 {(btw, this world is starting to be a little unstable for me)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4073 7-Mar-2012 "Not sure how to check the port number."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4074 7-Mar-2012 "netstat"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4075 7-Mar-2012 "ok, just did, but there's nothing near port 5400."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4076 7-Mar-2012 {well, that's the command under the windows shell. What happened to me is, that altme.com incorrectly registered requested port numbers, or something like that. Simply put - two worlds tried to connect to the same port ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4077 7-Mar-2012 {so check if your port 5400 is not e.g. used by some zombie instance of an app}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4078 7-Mar-2012 {but that does look like some other problem, just dunno. Strange how all the usernames could be vanished?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4079 7-Mar-2012 "I don't think the port is the problem."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4080 7-Mar-2012 "what does your users.set contain?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4081 7-Mar-2012 {What I think it's doing is that it's reading the wrong server folder, possibly one that doesn't exist.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4082 7-Mar-2012 {it contains all users from the Rebol4 world, like it should.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4083 7-Mar-2012 {now I thought lsof would show what files it's reading, but it doesn't show anything.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4084 7-Mar-2012 {That is not imo possible, dunno ... Must be some OS-X Altme issue - are there filenames case sensitive? Btw - this is simply evil concept, I would shoot someone, who allowed that!}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4085 7-Mar-2012 {well, the problem is exactly the same under Windows.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4086 7-Mar-2012 {well, but althme does not use any artificial (hidden) settings, no?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4087 7-Mar-2012 {I'm guessing that it tries to get the "Rebol4" name somehow to read the user list, but does not get anything and then quietly ignores it.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4088 7-Mar-2012 {How do you start your server? altme -s "rebol4" -p 5400 ?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4089 7-Mar-2012 "any older altme.exe around, to try that?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4090 7-Mar-2012 {you can try this:
move (and copy) your original alme folders, clear your servers dir, start a brand new instance of rebol4 (using the same master passwd, just for now).

Use something like winmerge on the two world folders to spot the differences in the old and new. you *may* be able to find and swap some parts of the files, or just a few files which are corrupted.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4091 7-Mar-2012 {winmerge does folder compares, so its very easy to track changes in many files at once.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4092 7-Mar-2012 "there's nothing to corrupt imo :-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4093 7-Mar-2012 {some data has changed, or is expecting a change from what he had to what its now looking up.  by generating a new world, with the same setup, he might figure out what's wrong and patch it.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4094 7-Mar-2012 "Pekr, wow that worked."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4095 7-Mar-2012 "what have worked? :-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4096 7-Mar-2012 "your command line thing"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4097 7-Mar-2012 "I'm in."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4098 7-Mar-2012 {and I'm not using any world password... this is an odd design.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4099 7-Mar-2012 "I am in too ..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4100 7-Mar-2012 {btw - what is world password used for anyway ... and when?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4101 7-Mar-2012 "it's used to look up the world name from AltME."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4102 7-Mar-2012 {you can login as a Master, but a world password? What is it for? Isn't it good for to only auto-setup a Master account, which will be given a world password?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4103 7-Mar-2012 {so you specify it once, when creating a new world and there is no way to change it, which is a problem.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4104 7-Mar-2012 {probably until it expires automatically, which is 5 days IIRC for free worlds.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4105 7-Mar-2012 "I am back in, too."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4106 7-Mar-2012 {Yes, I know the form requests it ... do you think it is stored, and then used to register with altme.com?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4107 7-Mar-2012 {it's odd because I need to use the password, when starting it from the AltME GUI, but I don't need it, when starting from CLI.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4108 7-Mar-2012 "Gregg, maybe we can perform the transfer anyway."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4109 7-Mar-2012 "The CLI way should also work in Windows, right?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4110 7-Mar-2012 {Yes, though there are glitches on alt ports, so we will have to see. I have two worlds on the VM now (5400 and 5401), so we would know right away if it works on 5402.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4111 7-Mar-2012 {ok, I'm going to close the Rebol4 world again, and you try to start it in a second.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4112 7-Mar-2012 "done"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4113 7-Mar-2012 "Started, but not able to connect here."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4114 7-Mar-2012 "What does your user list show?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4115 7-Mar-2012 "it should show 98 users, 0 active."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4116 7-Mar-2012 "It does."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4117 7-Mar-2012 {ok, good, then there is a firewall or routing problem.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4118 7-Mar-2012 {Gregg - not sure it will work on 5402, unless it registers itself on altme.com that way?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4119 7-Mar-2012 {pekr, when you start the server, you effectively transmit that info to the altme world name server.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4120 7-Mar-2012 {in worst case, we would have to wait 5-10 days for the timeout. But maybe, when starting a server, it will re-register the requested port, dunno ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4121 7-Mar-2012 {that is primarily why the world name server exists AFAIK.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4122 7-Mar-2012 {It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Alt ports that is.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4123 7-Mar-2012 "world name exists from the marketing purposes ;-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4124 7-Mar-2012 {I agree with Max, but there are other issues too. Need to check the info file.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4125 7-Mar-2012 {simply check here,once you transfer and start it - http://www.altme.com/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4126 7-Mar-2012 {FYI, it takes 10 days for world name passwords to reset when you last use it
(last paragraph here: http://www.altme.com/notes/lost-pass.html)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4127 7-Mar-2012 "It says none of my worlds are available."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4128 7-Mar-2012 "Including this one."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4129 7-Mar-2012 "yeah, just got the same reaction."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4130 7-Mar-2012 "Not a firewall issue."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4131 7-Mar-2012 "And netstat says 5402 is listening."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4132 7-Mar-2012 {The world name server still believes that the world ought to be served from Henrik's machine.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4133 7-Mar-2012 {http://www.altme.com/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi?lookup=rebol4}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4134 7-Mar-2012 {hmm... that seems a bit silly. if you change your network provider, you can't serve anything.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4135 7-Mar-2012 "I'm getting invalid user/pass now."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4136 7-Mar-2012 "strange the lookup page is screwed up."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4137 7-Mar-2012 "Are you running the server again?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4138 7-Mar-2012 "I'm not..."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4139 7-Mar-2012 {This is odd. Now the world name is suddenly case sensitive again.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4140 7-Mar-2012 {You should be able to just move and restart a server. 

I still can't connect at all, even on the server itself.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4141 7-Mar-2012 {If I try "Rebol4", I get invalid password. If I try "rebol4", I get no connection.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4142 7-Mar-2012 {Gregg, that's because the WNS did not yet refresh (for whatever reason).}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4143 7-Mar-2012 {Maybe there is a step missing and it simply can't show that the server is not running.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4144 7-Mar-2012 {I think the only step missing is that the newly started server needs to refresh WNS.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4145 7-Mar-2012 {aha... I ctrl-C'ed it, when I quit. maybe that's it?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4146 7-Mar-2012 {going to start it and then quit it properly this time}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4147 7-Mar-2012 {now it responds correctly. you can try again, Gregg.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4148 7-Mar-2012 "(lookup responds correctly)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4149 7-Mar-2012 {I'm still trying. Don't know how to force a refresh to the WNS though.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4150 7-Mar-2012 {I think you may have to start it once via the GUI and enter the password.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4151 7-Mar-2012 {I can't start the world manually, because of the private pass issue, and the shortcut start doesn't seem to do it.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4152 7-Mar-2012 "So we're back where we were."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4153 7-Mar-2012 "private pass? are you trying from CLI?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4154 7-Mar-2012 {Yes, CLI, since I don't have your pass to start it from the GUI.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4155 7-Mar-2012 {so you need the password to switch to a different connection.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4156 7-Mar-2012 {Give Henrik remote desktop access to the machine for a minute or two. Let him start the server once from the GUI, entering the password. WNS should refresh. Shutdown and start from CLI again.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4157 7-Mar-2012 "what is WNS ?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [4158 7-Mar-2012 {This happen when the handshake protocol is not described anywhere, sucks big time, to do all the guesses.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Andreas"
                    post: [4159 7-Mar-2012 {The "world name server".}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4160 7-Mar-2012 "ah ok."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4161 7-Mar-2012 "Give me a minute."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [4162 7-Mar-2012 "Done!"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Maxim"
                    post: [4163 7-Mar-2012 "web lookup confirms  :-)"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [879 {REBOL Syntax: Discussions about REBOL syntax [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [408 8-Mar-2012 {However, the example Steeve posted does not contain "code blocks"}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Tomc"
                    post: [5504 8-Mar-2012 "altme seems to be blackion out"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Tomc"
                    post: [5505 8-Mar-2012 "blacking"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Tomc"
                    post: [5506 8-Mar-2012 "too much wine"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "GiuseppeC"
                    post: [5507 13-Mar-2012 {Where are you ? I have read about REBOL4 world. Who I should ask for an access ?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5508 14-Mar-2012 {Giuseppe - yes, we have moved, as this world went down, and was down fore few days, with no sign, when it will be back online ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5509 14-Mar-2012 {Today the whole altme.com DNS server went down, so all Altme worlds around the globe went down (not exactly like that, but close)}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "GiuseppeC"
                    post: [5510 14-Mar-2012 "Pekr, how do I enter Rebol4 ?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5511 14-Mar-2012 "I asked Henrik to provide you with the account"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5512 14-Mar-2012 {In fact - he took last 100 ppl logging here or so, and sent them an invite.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5513 14-Mar-2012 "Do you have actual email addresshere?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "GiuseppeC"
                    post: [5514 14-Mar-2012 "my email address is gchillemi@aliceposta.it"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5515 14-Mar-2012 {Giuseppe - I can see you have an account there, and that you never logged in. So - check your email  ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5516 14-Mar-2012 "maybe it went into a spam folder?"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5517 14-Mar-2012 "Try: REBOL4, GiuseppeC, 1234"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Pekr"
                    post: [5518 14-Mar-2012 {ah, this is the web-public group, so if your login works there, please change your password asap ....}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [840 "Red: Red language group [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gerard"
                    post: [5310 24-Mar-2012 {Hi Doc, I know you'Re working on the lexer and I asked myself if you would use some toolset like the Coco/R compiler generator to help you for the next phase (parsing)? It seems it has already been converted for many other languages.  Here are the links for the user manual and the other resources for using it if necessary ... http://www.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/Coco/Doc/UserManual.pdf http://www.scifac.ru.ac.za/coco/}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [840 "Red: Red language group [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [5311 24-Mar-2012 {You may want to post on the REBOL4 world. Most conversation has moved there at this point.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [840 "Red: Red language group [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [5312 25-Mar-2012 "Yes, you should be invited."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gerard"
                    post: [5519 25-Mar-2012 {Hi everybody, may I get a ticket to enter REBOL 4 world please. I don't want to miss out too much of the real discussions taking place ... Thanks in advance. My REBOL 3 current email address is valid.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [5520 25-Mar-2012 "sent"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gerard"
                    post: [5521 25-Mar-2012 {Thanks and sorry for the recall - I didn't see it  when it passed ...}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Nicolas"
                    post: [5522 26-Mar-2012 {Can I have a ticket to the Rebol 4 world please. Thank you. My email address is nicolas42@gmail.com}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Henrik"
                    post: [5523 26-Mar-2012 "Sent."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Evgeniy Philippov"
                    post: [4166 19-Apr-2012 {I am writing my own OS PHIAL/INTERCOSMIC. A first test version is not ready yet. :) It should include its own special visual language (a VL).}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Evgeniy Philippov"
                    post: [4167 19-Apr-2012 {Firstly, I am writing a HDD installer. :) It must be accurate, not to damage the outside data.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Evgeniy Philippov"
                    post: [4168 19-Apr-2012 {I've started to program this and understood. That phial - is not what I need. "Phial" is science, research, chemistry, bad. I need simply INTERCOSMIC LIFE.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Evgeniy Philippov"
                    post: [4169 19-Apr-2012 {what do you think on the name? Also, INTERCOSMIC DHARMA OF LIFE is interesting. How you call the yacht, the same this way it will travel.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Evgeniy Philippov"
                    post: [4170 19-Apr-2012 "Strange abbreviation: IDOL. Very surprising."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [267 {Announce: Announcements only - use Ann-reply to chat [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Ladislav"
                    post: [1221 23-Apr-2012 {Hi all, I updated

    http://www.fm.tul.cz/~ladislav/rebol/nistclock.r

Changes:

- server list updated
- "stronger" checks used to suppress some errors when invalid data are obtained}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4171 21-Apr-2012 {Hi Evgeniy. You might want to post on REBOL4. Many people have moved there from this world.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4172 21-Apr-2012 {No names spring to mind. Maybe the picture is too vauge for me.}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [146 "All: except covered in other channels [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [4173 21-Apr-2012 "vauge =vague"]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [267 {Announce: Announcements only - use Ann-reply to chat [web-public]}]
                    poster: "ddharing"
                    post: [1222 29-Apr-2012 {The main REBOL website is down due to account suspension. Can someone close to Carl let him know right away?}]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [267 {Announce: Announcements only - use Ann-reply to chat [web-public]}]
                    poster: "Gregg"
                    post: [1223 30-Apr-2012 "It is back up."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "btiffin"
                    post: [5524 17-Jun-2012 "Request permission to board board Captain."]
                ] make object! [
                    group: [151 "!AltME: Discussion about AltME [web-public]"]
                    poster: "Sunanda"
                    post: [5525 18-Jun-2012 {Brian -- you already have a REBOL4 logon......Stand by for an email with reminderr of the logon details.
It'll be delightful to have you onboard for the cruise.}]
                ]]
        ]]
]