World: r3wp

Thanks.
But that's a little confusing.

The March announcement was not tied to View13 (it explicitly exluded 
the recycle bug for which a new version of View was needed).

It was an announcement, if I read it right, of an interim release 
on the existing SDK.

Yup, we need SDK.  for OSX

As to the next update, we are holding it this time to get a bunch 
of stuff done.  It is more efficient.

I think we may have different definitions of efficient.

To me, using a bit of software as buggy as Altme is not efficient 
- which is why I've never felt able to recommend it as groupware 
(see earlier dicussion).

I've been joining in with the REBOLn worlds because it is useful, 
though painful at times.

The problem, of course, isn't the bugs. It's the rate at which they 
get fixed.

Agreed.

Is anyone running Altme on a Mac under the PC emulator?

bug: on linux I am able to accidently paste into a posted message 
and obbliterate my copy of the message, restarting does noot help 
becausr it is an old message  and is not resynced even though it 
is different than it is elsewhere

to Reichart: have a look at the RAMBO group and see my findings about 
the GC crash, I think, that the workaround there can be applied to 
AltME too

The other day, I cut off my dialup connection about 10 seconds after 
starting AltME. The next day I connected, looked in Advocacy group 
and there were no new messages. I posted a message, and then it synced 
about 10 messages that had occurred during the intervening time. 
Just a bit more feedback on this problem.. in case it helps. I usually 
don't notice any such sync problem.

It's a common problem -- Just yesterday I got a week's worth of messages 
from the Sound group.

I think it resynced because I happened to be connected when someone 
sent a message to that group.  If I hadn't been, it'd still look 
like Sound was silent.

Maybe once you screw your sync, it stays screwed ? I will watch and 
see if it happens to me, but I have noticed it very occasionally 
and so it seems the problem doesn't stick with me.

It used to be fixable by logging on as guest.
But that account no longer exists on this world.
A dot in the dot group may help.

I've tried various things -- like creating a new group & immeditaley 
deleting it. But I've not found anuthing that forces a resync.

The bottom line is Altme is flakey at delivering messages to some 
users.

Ladislav, yeah....we know, we are still waiting for the next update 
to do everything at teh same time.

The only solution I believe would curently work is to put a dot in 
every group every day.

That would reduce usabilty for those who don't have the problem, 
but increase it for those who do.

How about sign up for an alternate login?

We think alike -- I asked for that back on 11-jul in this group. 
No response.

Maybe it breaks the TOS...I can certainly see issues from an administrator's 
viewpoint.

A single resync id with a password available on request for those 
who need it.....That would work, I think.

Reichart, just wondering with the world of IM clients getting more 
and more cluttered with Google's Chat application.  And with enhancements 
coming to AltME, QTask etc.  Are you able to give us any feedback 
to some of the plans for AltME or other apps with respect to your 
IM future?  Specifically I was wondering if other IM communication 
standards are going to be integrated so we are not an island of private 
chat?  Of course, having the option to not be a private world in 
some situations is a great option.


I see that most IM services today are going to a smart-client (x-internet) 
type application requiring software install.  Maybe Prolific's plan 
(I believe I recall anyway) to provide both a smart-client/web-client 
will be a plus.


With Google generating IM chatter in the computer world, just hope 
you don't miss the boat and can make an impact in the IM world when 
you release your updated product(s).

We are planning to support open standards directly.  Google is supporting 
an open standard, so we will be compatible.

Performance issue with copying links: Set number of messages per 
group to a big number, say 5-10000, go to the View group and copy 
a link. It reacts very slowly before the OK dialog comes up. Click 
OK and it takes a few seconds to disappear.


Now copy some ordinary text by rightclicking on a chat entry, no 
performance problems.

Anton: <Maybe once you screw your sync, it stays screwed ?>

That seems most likely -- unless you happen to be online at the moment 
someone else posts a message to the out-of-sync group. That seems 
to resync it.


One way of telling if some of your groups are out of sync is to compare 
with the mirror at http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/

(only works for [web-public] groups, and only if the archive is not 
suffering from syncing problems).


I can see right now, for example, that I haven't been sent the last 
9 messages in [Tech News]

robert w dumond 	
<[acm-:-ebanccorp-:-com]> to rebolist
	 More options	  7:24 am (2½ hours ago)

Hallo, alls -

   I am not able to connect to the AltME rebol world using the guest

account.  I have tried rebol, rebol2, and rebol3, all to no avail, 
and I

could not find anything on google.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
robert w. dumond

He's here now.

that Gues problems was still NOT adressed! No clear explanation anywhere 
on web of how to get here! I will eventually fix it myself - making 
some how-to-get-on-altme group and making it web visible .... :-)

I start getting "invalid datatype during recycle" messages with Altme. 
Twice during the last two weeks. Is this a known problem???

yes

While I'm at it ... am I the only one where links get distorted in 
display? Klicking works, but long links seem, are displayed wrong 
... they either wrap to the next line (partly overriding the text 
there), or part of the link isn't displayed.

also known bug

Invalid datatype is a bug that seems to affect programs with async 
tcp

oh!? I was suppose to cut the green one?

bad design I guess.  One fault at the power supplier cascaded and 
took out the most of the city.

questionable design ... to propogate bad design

Just wondering if Reichart and the AltME development team noticed 
this.... MSN Web Messenger.
http://webmessenger.msn.com/

Exactly what AltME needs, client and web interface for access when 
away from one of your computers.

I think there is an AltME module called AltEx that does that.... 
but currently only used for things like email gateway.  I think 2.0 
will add a lot more of those features.

Yeah, we need to document everything.  We are working on it.  We 
do currently have someone working on FAQs Help etc.

I'm getting lots of recycle errors with Altme these days ...anyone 
else?

Loads.....Almost unusable some days.

try to click on a group with unchanged contents first

any time table on a new altME? or maybe just one built on the 1.3 
SDK if it's possible?

Soon.

and so on , and so on  ... :^)

soon: join "so" "on"

Reichart - we need new Altme or at least please encap old altme in 
1.3 SDK. I got at least 5 or 6 crashes (invalid datatype during recycle) 
in last week ...

Yup.  Working on it.

Quick fix for AltME - store the last text sent in a buffer so it 
doesn't get lost if Altme discos on you at the time you send it - 
thereby resulting in data loss.

yup, old, and still on the list for the next rev.

silly question - is there a way to increase display font size in 
AltME?

unfortunatly after clicking the big "A"  little "A"  icon  .... decrese 
monitor resolution  is all

How far are we from AltME for OS X? I'm only on this PC for about 
an hour a day, and I'd love to spend some of the other time on AltME.

I guess we'd need the OSX SDK first...

Yup.