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GrahamC 28-May-2013 [2024] | I think he's had world changing experience working at Roku :) |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2025] | So How hard can it be to create a terminal version of AltME? Well... |
GrahamC 28-May-2013 [2026] | An event driven terminal?? |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2027x2] | No, an interface to this world, but from a text terminal. Like R3 chat, but which actually work with AltME worlds. |
If he did that, he could join this world from any computer. | |
GrahamC 28-May-2013 [2029] | perhaps he doesn't want to |
Oldes 28-May-2013 [2030] | fine.. so after 45min of waiting, what he said instead of a note, that SO chat is nice? |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2031x2] | Well, I have mixed feelings ... Carl simply gave up on Rebol and its message imo ... felt strange: " I'm no longer in the mode of convincing the world about Rebol. I've learned a lot over the last couple years in the trenches." ..... later .... "So, I know really well now that Rebol is not for every developer.... but it would get more interest if R3+GUI was easy to download an get running on a variety of those devices on your list." |
As for why he does not use R3 at Roku, he confirmed that it might be difficult to mix various IPs of several companies .... | |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2033] | @Pekr, do you think, that's the full story? |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2034] | I don't know, what do you mean? Full story of what? Well, maybe I will say it arrogantly - but Carl faced the reality we all were facing in our companies - if your tool does not fit the company's toolset, you might be tolerated, if it is open sourced or free. I remember my issues with my boss, trying to convince him why should I buy /Command to get access to shell and ODBC, if other free tools can do it. And that was it - REBOL lived in isolation and Carl, joining Roku, found out about the outer world working under different conditions of reality :-) |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2035] | So less of "mix various IPs". |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2036] | I expect so, but that is just my speculation .... |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2037x3] | I got the same feeling. |
But you see, since Carl is the creator of REBOL and has access to the sources, the situation is different than with you and your boss. | |
I had the same argument as you with a boss of a company, I did free-lance work for. I was able to convince them to buy REBOL/Command though, because the develop time went down by a factor 10 or so. A bit along the same type or argument, I convinced a business partner of that company to implement XML-RPC instead of using SOAP based calling method across the internet. It saved us months of development time, and the other company could implement XML-RPC feature within days. Just keep on arguing, also from a cost viewpoint. Don't give in! :) It pays. | |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2040] | Geomol - my boss bought me an SDK, because he know, that I would not program in anything else. It was not so expensive after all, not for a company running systems like SAP :-) I personally bought SDKs, Several command versions (prior to SDK), Pro version, and one IOS for 2K USD .... but nowadays I can state, that sponsoring stuff on voluntary basis is even better. So I actually put more money in Red than into REBOL SDK for e.g. :-) |
GrahamC 28-May-2013 [2041] | I didn't know you did coding |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2042x4] | Some conversion bridges, simple stuff - pullind data from multiple systems, generating excel files (via html) for customers, website generation to intranet, automated notifications, etc. |
Data migration from our system (used by cca 80 ppl) to SAP was all done/prepared by REBOL .... | |
I was so fast in pulling data, parsing CSVs, etc., that noone objected ..... | |
Well, as i thik about it, it adheres to what just Geomol stated - fast prototyping, they could not beat me easily .... | |
Endo 28-May-2013 [2046] | Ah it's nice to read Carl's posts on stackoverflow, I hope he answers some questions time to time.. |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2047x2] | What is more interesting imo is Carl attending a devcon. I believe guys will discuss many ideas about further Rebol development .... |
I have following strategy to discuss - Carl always liked to work on HW too - Amiga, Viscorp set-top-box. Now he is with Roku, gaining important experience. Now let's say Roku goes under, some investor appears, Carl buys AmigaIP and we will get first Rebol/Amiga device out :-) | |
GrahamC 28-May-2013 [2049] | You're fantasizing! |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2050] | yes, running on coffee :-) |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2051] | And then we build a spaceship and take a trip to the Moon. I always wanted that! |
Pekr 28-May-2013 [2052] | OK, I build a telescope for our observatory, to watch you walking on the moon :-) |
Geomol 28-May-2013 [2053] | Yeah, we can't have, people say, it didn't happen. ;) |
Bo 29-May-2013 [2054x3] | I have Amiga running on my cell phone. It doesn't have quite the luster it used to. In the 90's, I owned a large Amiga store and I did all my work on Amiga computers. It was so much nicer than PCs. However, there are now hundreds of Linux and BSD distributions, not to mention Windows, Mac and Android (yes, also a Linux distribution). What I really miss is simplicity and the ability to easily customize a system to do only what you want and no more in a lightweight and efficient manner. |
For this reason, I like Arch Linux. Small, fast, easy to customize to do exactly what you want. And it runs Rebol. | |
But I use Windows 8 at work, Windows XP and Windows 7 at home, and Linux for development and specialized tasks (like file serving). | |
Geomol 29-May-2013 [2057] | You use Arch Linux on your Raspberry Pi, right? How's that going? |
Bo 29-May-2013 [2058] | I use Arch Linux on Raspberry Pi. It works very well. However, I have switched to Raspbian at present as some of the components I need are not yet available on Arch Linux and I don't have time to port and test them. However, my project is almost ready for the first site test. |
Geomol 29-May-2013 [2059] | I wonder, if it's worth getting a Raspberry Pi at this point and try compile World to it. |
Pekr 30-May-2013 [2060] | Raspberry Pi is just medial thing. That thing is just small computer, nothing more imo, much hyped, than usefull, unless you build some kind of min-pc or player. IMO something like Beagle Bone (Black), with many IO pins, is more interesting. BTW - during SO chat, Carl mentioned he is getting Beagle Bone Black. That's imo, where Rebol could find some niche - embedded, automatition, etc. |
Bo 30-May-2013 [2061x2] | The main difference between the Beagle Bone Black and the Raspberry Pi is the manufacturer of the system on a chip (SoC). RasPi is Broadcom and Beagle Bone is Texas Instruments (TI). The Beagle Bone Black has a faster processor (1GHz vs. 700MHz), but the RasPi can usually be reliably overclocked to 1GHz. They both have a lot of I/O pins. The RasPi is also a little cheaper. |
If you want real power for a little more ($89), get this: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php Quad-core 1.7GHz Arm-A9 processor, 2GB on-board RAM, 10/100 Ethernet, 2xUSB2.0 ports, Micro HDMI, Micro SD card slot, hardware audio codec, run Android 4.x or Ubuntu 12.10 Pretty hot specs for the price! | |
Geomol 30-May-2013 [2063] | DC Input is statet as 5V / 2A. That's 10W. The Amiga1200 used 20W, if I remember correctly. Not bad for these new small computers. Ras Pi may use half of the ODROID, so about 5W. A cluster of computers each running at a couple Watts, that would be something! :) |
Kaj 30-May-2013 [2064] | When you buy such a bare board, you have to build a computer around it, which makes it much more expensive and uses a lot more power |
Andreas 30-May-2013 [2065] | RPi runs at ~3.5W in my experience. But performance / watt efficiency of a RPi is rather low. |
Pekr 30-May-2013 [2066] | Bo - imo those are really different purpose boards. Beagle is geared more towards an automatition - all those pins properly exposed directly on the board. Also - look at the number of "capes" available. I would not use Raspberry Pi for embedded ... |
Bo 30-May-2013 [2067x2] | Agreed. However, for some applications there has been more developed for the Raspberry Pi, which makes it easier to develop a finished product, especially if a lot of I/O is not needed. |
Kaj: For embedded applications, all you need to add to the ODROID is a MicroSD card with the OS on it. That doesn't add any higher power requirements. If you want to add a hard drive, DVD-RW, monitor, etc. to it, of course it will take more power. However, those aren't needed for most embedded applications. | |
Kaj 30-May-2013 [2069x2] | Yes, but John compared it to an Amiga 1200, so you have to take into account the floppy drive it had and such. It was used as a personal computer, so you have to add a monitor, keyboard, mouse, perhaps a hard drive, etc. |
We're picking up written off PCs that are hardly used for less than a Raspberry, so the price advantage is not that clear cut | |
GrahamC 30-May-2013 [2071] | power savings? |
Kaj 30-May-2013 [2072] | Not much if you need those extra peripherals |
Cyphre 31-May-2013 [2073] | My laptop takes 6-8W during normal desktop+internet usage on battery. But can take up to 80W when running at full CPU/GFX performance when running a 3d game :-) |
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