World: r4wp

Bo - I wonder if you know about Cyphre's intent to accelerate View 
anyway, so imo Carl just misses important info on what is actually 
going on ;-)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rebol/6MMlv-E3j-E

I don't think you would gain anything by using SDL to get R3GUI faster. 
AFAIK SDL has no 2d graphics support...it's just low-level lib for 
handling the OpenGL or 2d framebuffer. There is no support for 2d 
vector graphics, font rendering etc. so you'll end with the same 
needs for the UI engine in the end.

As Pekr mentioned above, with the new R3 graphics code reorganization 
I'm working on it will be possible to even create a compositor based 
on SDL though if anyone is interested in doing that.

or use OpenGL directly ;-)

@Kaj, you are unstoppable!! 
So many times as well I have no clue what it is all about. :\

I found out I do not need JNI though, no  need to program my fridge.

Java is way too bloated for fridges; they should run on Red :-)

I want red fridge :-)

There you go - cheap at half the price - http://www.very.co.uk/swan-sr9051r-60cm-fridge-freezer---red/1119903640.prd

:-)

That's a pretty small fridge compared to what we are using.

It's a [Red]uced fridge

Bo: In Europe there are "Fridge" (like the Red one above) and "American 
fridge" like

http://www.very.co.uk/samsung-rsg5ucrs-american-style-frost-free-fridge-freezer---stainless-steel/1195012798.prd?browseToken=%2fb%2f4536%2fr%2f100

Moving to ~Chit Chat.

Thanks, Robert and Saphirion team!

Robert, it would be useful if everyone on your team adopted the same 
mdp style and template

I was parsing your mdp docs to convert to epub and found some have 
authors or not, dates or not, tables were done differently etc

Robert, you've uploaded the reactors documentation ... but I was 
under the impression reactors have been removed!

So, shouldn't we just delete that reactor stuff?

MDP style: Well, we need a pretty printer ;-)

Reactors: I just packed everything on the docs dir we have as a start. 
So, yes, we need to sort it out, get rid of the old stuff etc. So 
feel free to delete it and send a pull-request.

And is there any point in uploading the html docs?  Since they have 
to be generated

No, as said I just used the docs dir and didn't went through it. 
Well, seems next time we prepare it a bit better.

Ok, I'll figure out how to send a pull request on these

As long as other people agree .. it would be painful for you to have 
to update the html docs each time the mdp ones are changed

This coult be done with a commit hook on our side, but yes, HTML 
is not needed.

Looks like a number of other docs are not there.

validation-proposal, dialog-system, gob-capture, save-state etc

or I just missed seeing where they are :(

Thanks for noting the blog update Petr. Nice to hear he's enjoying 
himself so much. Maybe we'll get him back into REBOL when he sees 
that he can build Roku stuff in Red.

Well, I wish him well too. OTOH he contradicts himself. He says, 
he is interested in Rebol, yet he is addicted in something completly 
else, not finding free time for rebolling. I hope you will meet him 
at Devcon, so that he gets excited about Rebol againt too :-)

I don't think it's contradictory. He focuses deeply on one thing 
at a time, and everything else is lucky to get any time at all. It's 
just that now, Roku is his focus.

OTOH, his work there may lead to new thoughts for REBOL and other 
languages targeted at small devices in a networked world.

It's a bit odd that his creation is so fantastic that he can't use 
it

Perhaps it was never designed to be use in memory constrained embedded 
devices

Perhaps it was never designed to be used?

I smell a troll

I smell excuses

I think that reason for not using R3 is not technology related. Carl 
even talked about it in the past, that - maybe one day. Imo the reason 
is two-three-fold - 1) RT's failure, to set up R3 in the wild, business 
wise 2) at the time Carl joined Roku, R3 was not open-sourced. 3) 
I also remember, that on R3 Chat, he asked about Gstreamer. So imo 
even a toolset problem - R3 lacking extensions to popular subsystems, 
and also risky situation - what if Carl would decide to leave the 
company? Who would work with his R3 code?

Agreed

Seems like I missed the chance to join the chat with Carl and you 
guys on StackOverflow, but I was in my dreams (or nightmare about 
autorelease). ;)

Well, you need to be prepared and have sufficient reputation on SO. 
 It took Carl nearly 45 minutes before he was able to speak!

It was somewhat frustrating for all of us waiting.

Any reason he doesn't wanna do such limited time chats here?

probably hasn't got altme installed

He said he would only use r3chat before .. but he says that the SO 
chat is very nice and usable from a browser

Yeah, I just remembered, he said something about being able to chat 
from any computer.

How hard can it be to create a terminal version of AltME? Well...

that is R3 chat

But is that usable with e.g. this world? If yes, then he could just 
use that and join a chat here, couldn't he?

not with this world