World: r3wp

(it's quite interesting!)

Henrik, please, can you ask Carl if there will be the some kind of 
breakpoint, variable inspection, change code and continue in R3 ?
(Thanks for sharing)

Question posted :-)

Carl surfaced for air and dived again.  He asked about help naming 
the new "VID" system without calling it "VID".

http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/90e3407319954c2fb00e1665fdbd0e22-128.html
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Henrik thanks for posting.  That sounds a bit like how I currently 
dev my gui apps.  They behave like webpages for the most part.

Carl is still wondering how to name thing ....I think really that's 
not the main problem actually ... I'm more interrested to know how 
the dev goes according to the road map than knowing how rebol VM 
without View is going to be called how REBOL language is going to 
be named how rebol/view is going to be named next ...

a stronger link betwin "networking" and "visual" modules ??? hum 
that's like if Carl was preteneding we can't already do that !!?? 
What VID (or what ever called (turtle, springler, widlets reblets, 
reboing, rebelistic-view-system,widbol)  needs is a better Interface 
Human machin a better set of functionnalities  to reflect the most 
of the visual capabilities of now in days computers and a better 
set of widgets.... (call it cosmetic (code and rendering) and performancies 
to be short )

the remaining questions are  futil  and worthless .... I prefere 
a no mane thing working than a named thing not working ....

ummm... yes, I did suggest that !

interresting questions: what is the new road map (with deadlines) 
whowill participate?  actual gabrile code remains or is it trashed 
?  in the futur how can we organise the community to apport more 
and in amore productivly way?  what is the real main vision he have 
on view? does it's going to be an easy to  build  fexible and easy 
to update visual  IHM  or does it going to be nothing more than a 
webrowser (and bro if that's your vision you are a decade too late 
there is plenty of web browser and most of thempropose way to extend 
them with minimal coding .... )

Gabriele will continue to use his own code and perhaps finish it 
... unless Carl's is so much better!

Devbase is supposed to be the instrument of collaboration.  You can 
download it now and use it.

does rebol fanatic commmunity can stand more of the I work I disapear 
and I come back to restart all AAAAAAAAAAAgain with new ideas ? don't 
you think carl that's what is killing REBOL  and make him stays in 
the underground community darkness ?

He says he's building a new gui system ... don't really know what 
that means.

But he wants to make it simpler to build interfaces

Carl's flesh burns in sunlight .. so he stays underground

I read that too graham  but that's too fuzzy man ... That's like 
the NASA tell us they are going to lend a shuttle on mars planet 
....

Exactly .. so how on earth can we help with naming it!  We need to 
see it first.

I guess if we can imagine it, we have it wrong already.

yeaaaaaaaaaah  ...  changing names don't means you changing the meaning 
.or the content ...

What's the alternative?

Work with R2 I guess ....

wellwhat amazed me is the community message was (as far my poor idiot 
brain understood it ) "We need VID  with more widgets closer in the 
look and capabilities of what can be done with other widgets libraries, 
better performancies and a bette way to handle user/machine interface 
. And Carl reply by okay VID2  is a trash lets change all .... I'm 
not sure the reply feets with the ask. But maybe our   ask was too 
much short ended vision and Carlplans on a bigger plan but that can 
only telled by him

I think that his response is to build something that will be easier 
to use than VID.

VID was here for many years before any extensions were done by the 
community ie. too hard.

I'm not sure having CArl and gabriele working on there own on differents 
things is a good thing because at the end the one who  will realese 
the official  content is carl

Most people were not able to build new widgets for VID.

Carl asked Gabriele to build VID.

he then decided that what Gabriele built was too hard to use for 
the average person.

ie. Gabriele was contracted to do this work.

most of people to tell you the truth plan a little with rebol see 
some of it capabilities then face a lack ( not able to do something 
they want to do ) and abandon rebol ....

so the bar needs to be lowered does it not?

the concept of virtual machine implicates the impossible to apport 
real new things to it...

unless you have a way to use existng things

Rebol and VID were a S shaped learning curve.

easy to start off ... steep learning curve do anything after that 
...then flattens off again.

in my opinion that depends what you means by visual interface ? Is 
it some buttons some text and some pictures or is it 3D  content 
menubars and lot of flicking a bouncing widgets ?

the latter :)

plus if anytime the community ask for extention carl reply by I change 
it all that will not make rebol be better known and accepted as a 
trusted solution for buisness area...

the reality of now in day computing industries is that they need 
more ppl to design web site or financial software (for traders and 
banks) than people to do nice visual interface.

even financial software needs a decent gui

doing vid a webbrowser like librarie hum ... but webbrowser now in 
day are dependant on  flash plug in so in a way things are not done 
 in anymore on the webrowser layer

Maybe Carl is writing a web browser??

Carl 'In other words, when you download R3 and run it, it will look 
like a web browser."

So, it's the web, just with REBOL as the HTML. :-)

Do you remember my Vidwiki ?  I think it's similar to that idea

Getting rid of the desktop metaphor which is confusing because it 
doesn't behave like a desktop

but  achieving a web browser is more than only connect to a http 
server retrive and renders HTTP once again that way to think was 
OK in years 90  but not in years 2008 ...  Yes most of what do a 
webbrowser is to rederised HTML  page but what about the video streaming 
or animated interfaces (what flash is ablem to bring to a  webbrowser 
and make the 2008 web sites so hum dynamic)

He hasn't said he won't address that.