World: r3wp

I won't say it will win, but I will agree we stuck with it for a 
while.

usb design sucks even more :-) compared to firewire at least, which 
allows various devices to talk together. But usb won big time. usb 
was saven only because faster version appeared ...

It will get better too, but it is bad from the foundation. I won't 
play the "what tech sucks more game" we will both win, and therefore 
both lose : )

YEs, USB pisses me off  big time.

I just wanted to say, that no matter what we think or how right we 
are, bt is gonna to stay ...

but wait, new standard appeared, it is called wireless usb :-)

But until it reaches the next few levels, it is not a solution for 
me.  What I want is 802.11 handfree device, that wil simply work 
for my needs.

then maybe we are not there yet :-)

Do you want it to use skype or any voip solution will work for you?

Skype.

Ah. Then we need to wait for the Creative Labs product.

I have 40+ people on my skype (of note, my skype name is vonwolfsheild, 
but announce yourself otherwise I will ignore requests for contact, 
I get about 3 a day from europe.  Apparently I'm quite teh catch 
amoung estonian and russian women, beats me : )   )

I have tested some stand alone WiFi VoIP phones, but they require 
a provider like Vonage.

Reichart - real women, or just spam? :-)

..........sadly, it would appear to be forms of SPAM  : )

Hi, after reading at Henrik comments I want to buy a Mac Mini (but 
have never used a Mac before). What are the cons for using the Mac 
mini ? I find the PC barebones a bit noisy b/c they still have a 
fan so I don't get how the Mini works without any fans ? I OSX has 
a BSD-like API, why is it taking RT so long to get the new core release 
supported ? thank

I OSX --> If OSX

thank --> Thanks

joe, the mini is not good for games

what about running a web server ?

and G++ , any cons vs Linux ?

it runs server things nicely. apache is built in and can be started 
with a click of a button

the harddrive is slow, because it's only a 5400 RPM 2.5" laptop drives

I don't know anything about G++...

OSX is not good for high performance serving, such as running MySQL. 
It's notoriously slow at creating threads. This doesn't affect desktop 
performance however.

GCC suite is include and you can get free access to the Xcode developet 
tools very easy to develop in C, C++, Objective-C and Java

There are other languages bundle with the OS, from the top of my 
head Perl, Phyton and Ruby

and apple script :-)

BSD API is not the problem, this API only covers interaction at the 
low level with the OS. For graphics you need to use either Carbon 
API or Cocoa API.

Each API is has its difficulties to takle.

But these Carbon/Cocoa APIs shouldn't be needed by Rebol Core 2.62, 
right ?

Rebol Core 2.62 is out.

So it is pro/cmd etc.

Check the build pages.

http://www.rebol.com/platforms.htmlso this page is not updated then

Current core is beta. But I think an announcement will come soon.

You should check www.rebol.net/builds to see what is new and happening.

thanks. last question: any overheating problems with Mac Mini ?

I haven heart of any, but I don't own one.

is "Creative Labs Inc" the same as Creative that makes soublaster?

yes

joe, it only gets hand warm

Since I bought mine in april 2005, it's only been off for a total 
of about 4-5 hours

funny, how they have such products but is not spending efforts to 
make it known.


one of the things I noted about Creative is they have spend too much 
efforts (and money) fighting Apple and trying to be like Steve Jobs 
(SimWongHoo acting like Steve Jobs giving conference).

pick the wrong fight and tout the wrong 'innovations'

what I think Creative is good at, is creating abnormally huge drivers. 
They are almost as good as Logitech at that.

A hack to get skype working with any wireless phone http://www.stretta.com/~matthew/resources/skype/

Joe, Mac mini does have a CPU fan, but it's pretty quiet (less than 
22db from memory). Unit does get pretty hot if you start doing a 
number of CPU intensive tasks at the same time, at which point you 
can actually hear the CPU fan. I've not noticed any performance issues 
with the 5400rpm drive, but I don't run any DB intensive stuff on 
it. The units originally shipped with 256MB RAM, which was just not 
enough for serious use, but I've found the 512MB they now ship with 
to be more than adequate. Most apps run well, except OpenOffice which 
runs like an absolute dog (both the X11 version and NeoOffice).

what os are you running ?

thanks for the info. The alternative I was considering was a shuttle 
barebone http://eu.shuttle.com/en/Desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-72/170_read-11083/
 which comes at about $300 more but it's at least 3 times the size 
of the Mac mini and probably noiser . The barebones do have a normal 
fan in addition to the CPU fan and that makes them noiser

As hotspots become more prevalent, a timely reminder of the threat 
of Arp Cache Poisoning http://grc.com/nat/arp.htm