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Pekr
16-Nov-2007
[286]
PHP, gee - what does have php in common with all that?
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[287]
Pekr, what are you showing on that site: app.jsp
Terry
16-Nov-2007
[288]
This is Petr's head ->  O  
This is Petr's head in san  ->   :::O:::
Pekr
16-Nov-2007
[289]
amacleod - nice app. At least link works here ...
Henrik
16-Nov-2007
[290]
VID3 will never compete with this.. ever.

 <-- well.. you haven't seen VID3. :-) That's all, I'll say for now.
Brock
16-Nov-2007
[291]
I think Terry should get a sneak peak.  He appears to be, from the 
work he publicly shares with us, one of the most diverse Rebolers 
in the group.  I would think his input would be of value.  That's 
all I will say as well  ;-)
Pekr
16-Nov-2007
[292]
Yes, actually we could include most of the guys here ;-)
Terry
16-Nov-2007
[293x2]
I hope it works great.. and I hope the plugin gets fixed properly... 
then I'll mash it in with all the rest.
Mmm... Rebol mash.. yum.
james_nak
16-Nov-2007
[295]
Can't we just all get along and keep Oldes cranking along with his 
examples? : )  You guys are all great.
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[296]
If I can throw my two cents here. Terry is right to complain, because 
you can feel he cares, it's not destructive criticism. Pekr is saying 
he's a realist, but to me he sounds more like a dreamer (no offense).Flash 
is a Virtual Machine that lives in the browser. Rebol is a VM that 
lives on several OSes. Flash VM is present on 99% of the browsers. 
Rebol VM is not present  on browsers (plugin doesn't count because 
last time I tried it wouldn't install, and last version is more than 
a year old), and it is present on OSes of a small number of creative 
developers and hobbyists. If I had to develop a commercial app for 
the web, Flash and Flex give me extensive documentation, and a whole 
framework. Rebol can't compete with Adobe, and should not. Last week, 
I developed a GUI in Rebol and Rebgui that would have taken me four 
times longer in any other graphical toolkit, and I had a knack at 
it. But this app is for internal use. Rebol is a great language, 
and I would like to see it evolve as a computer language, not as 
a throw it all in kind of gizmo. It should go Open Source, because 
RT doesn't have the means to provide versions for all platforms. 
Where is the rebol for NetBSD? Last version is 2001. If RT hasn't 
the resources, let the developers do it. I want to run rebol on an 
internet tablet. I had wanted to run rebol on a palm (not anymore 
because Palm is deas, sort of). But the Nokia tablet run debian linux. 
There is no reason for the unabailability of rebol. It is just a 
matter of building it and packaging it. Who has the time for this? 
Plenty of people, they're just not at RT, because there people are 
busy with more important things (like developing the product).
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[297x2]
flash is on zero browsers until installed...I've set up machines 
at work for guys in the firehouse to use. Every computer there gathers 
so much adware/spyware/viruses that I can never keep up cleaning 
them. I've had to re-install windows so many times and each time 
I have to re-install the latest flash player. I resorted to setting 
up puppy linux and running off a bootable cd..(with the typical complaints 
about it not being windows) Anyway...rebol plug-in is easire to download 
than flash so what's the bigdeal. I install active-x controls all 
the time when I find a site that interests me and needs the control.
Your other complaints are to be addressed with R3. You want to run 
it on a tablet, great, you will be able to port it yourself.
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[299]
If I could port it myself, then that would mean RT is going open 
soure. Why haven't we heard the news?
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[300x2]
Parts of R3 will be open giving the abilty to port
RT will have the main "kernal" closed and its this part that RT will 
develop other parts are left to the community to build
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[302]
like QNX, same model
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[303]
very similar
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[304]
Parts. That's the whole point. That means I won't be able to port 
it on other platforms, because I need the source of the whole thing. 
(I'll be happy to be proven wrong).
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[305x2]
in fact Carl supposedly spoke with  the CEO of QNX shorly before 
they made that anousment
As far as I understand it R3 will allow you to port to any platform 
or OS. I'm sure there is an exlanation of how this is to be done.
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[307x2]
It's like on linux, compiling kernel modules vs. compiling the kernel 
itself.
To make a distribution, you need to be able to do both.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[309x2]
yeah , they steal his idea ;-)
I think that if your really motivated, RT let you port Rebol on alien 
platforms
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[311]
The main problem of Rebol is the business model. I've seen RT struggle 
with this since the first versions, I don't have a solution, I don't 
know how you make money with open source, but some people do.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[312x2]
with frameworks conception, you can
but we need an IDE for that purpose
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[314]
I think RT realize they are not going to make money on hte software 
but on services revolving around the product
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[315]
or not
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[316]
Either you can compile from source, or you can't. You don't have 
to merit it by showing how eager you are, or to mark points in other 
ways.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[317x2]
it's not the only point, i'm wondering why have no killer apps
Atlme is that one ? not sure
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[319]
A brief description of R# components and how the "hybrid-open-source 
model" will work: http://www.rebol.com/docs3/architecture.html
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[320x2]
To me, the killer aspect of Rebol is the language design. It's just 
very, very expressive.
Altme? You must be kidding.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[322x3]
yeah, a little
but what else ?
i see nothing
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[325]
Another aspect I like about Rebol is the community.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[326]
yeah, we are cool guys
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[327x2]
The fact it's small and courageous. You side with the losers.
:)
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[329]
by the way, it's not the good place for such comments
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[330]
In what sense?
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[331]
Runtime Core - Closed: This is the OS independent kernel that provides 
standard REBOL capabilities across all systems and devices. It is 
this component that makes REBOL operate identically on Windows, OSX, 
Linux, BSD, Sony, Nokia, Nintendo, and other systems.
-from the above document.
Steeve
16-Nov-2007
[332]
in sense that we should move from Rebol/flash dialect thread
DanielSz
16-Nov-2007
[333]
to Vent?
amacleod
16-Nov-2007
[334]
Host Environment - Open: The environment defines an operating system 
abstraction layer (OSAL) that can be ported to a wide range of systems, 
including desktop systems, set-top boxes, mobile devices, and cell 
phones. This approach gives developers a way to run and improve REBOL 
on their specific target platforms.
-from same document
Will
17-Nov-2007
[335]
Oldes, would it be possible to have a version running with /core 
?