World: r3wp

Also I begin to understand why there is a problem with rebol popularity 
- absenbse of unicode in Rebol is only one of reasons. I was very 
surprised that there are almost no Russian resources about Rebol! 
How can people begin to use anything - if they cannot even read about 
it in their native language? I think it's a big mistake - not to 
have a translation group for Rebol - like one in Gnome dev, KDE etc. 
I could participate in it and to help promote Rebol in Russia, but 
it is a huge work which could not be done by one or two men, and 
surely, I can't start such a project - I think it should be done 
by you, Rebol-gurus. Then, you could coordinate translations and 
we could begin to make Rebol more international and popular. P.S. 
Not sure this is a right place to write about, but I didn't find 
something more suitable...

It is sad - I even can't start a Russian group here where people 
could write not only in English, but in Russian too. ALTME doesn't 
support cyrillic as well. No need to say that without unicode support, 
without ability to interact with other programs/processes from parent 
OS Rebol becomes almost useless for masses...

Wait for Rebol 3

You'll be a great tester for Unicode support in R3 Alexandr. :-)

Great example of a DSL Gregg.

If you want to translate the documentation, I have copied the wiki 
to another wiki at http://www.compkarori.co.nzwhich has multilanguage 
support

The current mediawiki is too old to support multiple languages

Since it is a vm, I can make the whole thing available for download 
sometime.

Jerry Tsai was able to display ChineseJapanese and Korean text in 
Rebol. So it's wouldn't be impossible to dislay cyrillic text, just 
very difficult.


Here's a glimpse ... http://jerrylovesrebol.blogspot.com/2008/01/animate-tabbedpane.html

what technic he used ? some images of ideograms ?

Jerry using R3

holy sh*t, who he killed he to have a copy of R3

no one, the current alpha release has unicode support

the first one ?

the graphics subsystem was done ... just no VID

hum it''s currently bugous, even the subsystem

i tried caret-to-offset, offset-to-caret, it doesn't work

Jerry didn't wait for r3. He did this in May 2007  - http://city.udn.com/v1/blog/photo/photo.jsp?uid=JerryTsai&f_PHOTO_ID=774988

It was reported on The Rebol Week by some fellow called Graham ;-)

different

see his screenshots of chinese in the R3 console

i over reacted, i'm not currently intersted by unicode ;-)

i made some test to build an RTE editor using gobs, but as i said 
the current alpha is bugous

well some decisions were made.

so we should see a public release very soon ....

need a site to host the BBS and to select one.

probably phpBB3

Thank you for hint. But unfortunately current alpha release I have 
found is only for Windows and I don't use it :-( At least I had no 
luck to find rebol3 for Linux

Alexandr: < I tried ascii-chart script and it unfortunately doesn't 
show any cyrillic letters>
What I did that showed me some cyrillic was this:
** download the ascii-chart.r script from rebol.org
** change this line
     [append hex-lo [box 25x25 blue]
to
    [append hex-lo [box 25x25 blue font-name "WP CyrillicA"]
WP CyrillicA

 is a Cyrillic font I happen to have installed on my Windows PC. Any 
 Cyrilic font you have is likely to have a different name. When specifying 
 the font name it is case sensitive.


If this works for you. it may also help for many VID styles (BOX, 
BUTTON etc) It probably won't help for ALTER and other pop-up boxes

Alter!?
I mean ALERT of course.

I have found some errors in the rebol wiki book.  I sent themto Carl 
but he must be far too busy for this sort of thing.  The falws failed 
in 2.7.6 but failed with different result in th eold 3.0 alpha
Is anyone here on altme interested in the wikibook ?

wikibook?

Carl has nothing to do with the Wikibook. We have an old group for 
the Wikibook.

Yes, a few of us here are authors for it

It was written before R3 was announced. I don't even know if anyone 
has updated it since then.

we should move the wikibook to the new wiki once it is up and running.

Richard has offered us a PC to host the web BBS and new wiki

we should be able to use wiki tools to download it and I can then 
upload to the new wiki

Sunanda, thanks for your help. Anyway, I tried all my fonts, which 
do have russian (cyrillic) letters, but still had no luck. Seems 
I really have to wait for Rebol3 as nobody knows how to solve this.

Sorry to hear that. Have you tried any of the available UNICODE-enabled 
R3 alphas to see if they work with Cyrillic?

This is of great importance for me to.... There are three alphabets 
in use in my county... Whitout these characters I can not enter any 
name properly into database and can not print forms required by law... 
There are ways around it offcourse.. but I want r3 so badly :)

Sunanda, I don't have Windows since this summer any more, and the 
only alpha I have found (http://www.rebol.net/builds/rebol3/alpha/rebol29904031.zip) 
works only under Win. I guess there was no alpha release for Linux 
yet...

Not yet a linux release, as cursor management under the linux console 
would no longer be handled by the GNU tools for that. I don't remember 
the details, but it is seriously not fun to use, when you can only 
enter text and not use the cursor at all..

Vladimir, I can understand you very well... English speaking people 
(and living in english-speaking countries) don't have such a problem, 
but when you have to deal with one or more non english languages, 
that becomes a trouble. I was so inspired by rebol's philosophy and 
it's advantages that I spent over 2 weeks trying to make it work 
with Cyrillic, but no way - the only way now is to make images with 
Russian text and use them as buttons. You would agree this hardly 
can be a workaround... And as to Rebol3 - it seems to me that we 
all so much awaiting for it that by Magnus law it would not be realeased 
quite soon :-)

Henrik, did you mean using rebol3 in WINE under Linux?

alexandr, that will work. I talked about an early Linux port, but 
it is not fun to use.

If I only was a bit sure that there would be enoough compatibility 
between R2 and R3, I probably would begin to learn rebol and write 
programs I need without Russian living this part for a future, when 
R3 would be released. But who can point me how much of compatibility 
would it be and in which places of rebol? Maybe syntax would change 
so much that one would have to rewrite scripts from the beginning? 
Who knows..

Henrik, can you tell me where is it possible to find that Linux port? 
I'd like to test it with all it's flaws but as I said I couldn't 
find anything from alpha for Linux at all

syntax won't change much. it's the underlying conventions, dlalects 
and UI that will change, so if you learn R2, it will be easy to move 
to R3.

Alexandr, the port was internal. Not released.