World: r3wp

so much more to achieve... makes time flies by so fast..

so DevCon is nearly over, and we still don't have answer to question, 
how Carl wants to x-fold the Rebol world acceptance :-)

wee verry few activity today, as far i see, what about Pekr questions 
?

I am no Qtask and no answers were posted yet ...

I think that folks will be enjoying evening banquet in 10 minutes, 
so we will have to wait till tomorrow ....

/me leaving now too to visit my friends ...

yes, it's a sunny saturday to nice to be here...

Pekr, yes there are still resizing issues with RebGUI and Ashley 
has stated that he is working on this.

Graham, I see you have Mickey Mouse on methadone.. isn't that a breach 
of patient/physcian privacy?

I think it is common knowlege

By the way.. my absentee vote for Rebol MVP (most valuable product) 
goes to Nenad for Uniserve.

What are you using Uniserve for ?

Oh you know.. this and that.

Same here.

I fear LNS will not give us anything like Uniserve though .... although 
LNS may have some transfer layer ('send-service), imo it will not 
have kind of run-time pluggable protocol engine like Uniserve is 
.....

IIRC, Doc planned to add kind of Uniserve multiplexing engine into 
R#, but it would also include other even types or even tasking/threading 
....

uaaa, going to sleep - really tired, 1:13 am here ..... hopefully 
tomorrow some ppl will return from DevCon and will report something, 
although I am not sure ....

Different use.  If you want to build pop servers, web servers etc, 
use Uniserve.
If you want to build a p2p network, use BEER.

Asia, AU or NZ. Well for AU we have people in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne 
and Perth, all great cties. Though i'd like to go to NZ :-)

But how ideal is BEER in today's world of sofisticated Gnutella 2 
or other protocols? Or in comparison to Chord look-up architecture?

Allen - Peter Jackson is imo filming King Kong in NZ right now - 
maybe we would be lucky and some other director will film next movie 
in the time-frame of devcon? :-)

BEER is not a protocol.  It's a framework for building protocols.

Better that Ladislav et al talk about this ...

I know what BEER is in general ... but Uniserve is just that, no? 
- a framework for building/plugging protocols and their handlers 
...

i guess there are multiple levels of protocols. 

one is tcp<->http and such, brom bytes to structured messages. thats 
uniserve. 

the next is from http<->orientation. you need that to ask for services 
and such. with p2p even more, for distributed searching. thats chord 
and such. 

lns and beer support building things like chord. maybe kind of networks-events 
thru p2p-apps.
then you have a orientation<->meaning, which is app-specific.

- Chris / Rebmap : very nice but the map is soooo small.


- Questions to Carl : Reicharts has ask every questions to Carl Saturday 
evening (Italian time : GMT+2), ended after the banket. There was 
30 witness ;-) No Internet at the hotel, so wait a bit he find a 
connection to post it.


- Uniserve vs. LNS : don't compare "TCP" and "MSM messenger" please 
! Uniserve is just an async network engine. LNS act at the OSI application 
level. LNS can work on Uniserve, HTTP, mail, even floppy if you want 
(the last 3 are Gabriele words).


- Online Free BEER : Jaime give us this url, but it doesn't work 
(or I made a mistake while I wrote it)
 http://www.whywire.net/share/beer-sdk.tar.gz

thanks DideC - you from France?

Just a few word to say that the Devcon was very a nice for me (hey, 
it's my first one ;-)

I have meet many guys I already know from here, and also some that 
we don't know. So there is more people using Rebol than just the 
one you see on Altme :)

Yes, France.

Anyone from France there? DocKimble? :-)

As Uniserve vs LNS - that is nice that LNS is more or less app level 
(services) protocol, but we need also strong, async transfer. Sadly 
I thought LNS will bring it too ...

DideC - so you heard Carl's responses, right? Could you a bit elaborate? 
E.g. what is the plan for VID? Was there any concrete info of how 
Carl/RT wants to full-fill his plan/claims?

- No, I was the only French (don't ask why about this : 30 guys already 
did it in Milano).


- Question : Reichards, takes note on his laptops, just wait a litle 
more.


- LNS is a sort of XMLRPC protocol (or something like that), but 
Rebol dialect based and secure. No relation with low level async 
networking at all. But it can be used asynchronously : it just mean 
your apps does not wait the answer to continue.


- I just came back a few hours ago, and days were long, but night 
very short ;-)
So I got to go to bed right now (its midnight!).

I mean Devcon days and nights of course.

OK, so see you later ...

going to bed too .... waiting for news for 4 days is enough :-) .... 
will let it go now, to morrow I will have to do some real work, so 
potential news will not hit me as much as it would otherwise :-)

Just arrived at home from the DevCon. They have been 4 beautiful 
days, I learnt a lot and have recharged my batteries too. Thank you 
to everybody because I met a lot of  kind and friendly rebolers.

Report please!!!

ti would like to read more about BEER is there any onlie documentation 
or wiki ?

nope.

This dearth of information is somewhat of a kill joy :(

You'll survive. :)

But badly scarred by the experience !

Aye, if we keep going in this direction, by next years conference 
we'll have to PAY.. and still not get any info

:)

maybe next year there will be no conference at all :-)

Or, maybe there will be two conferences!

maybe we should switch to more "reliable" and proven tools as IRC? 
:-) Even back in 96 I do remember moderated Amiga shows on IRC, where 
hundreds of ppl were logged to chat with Amiga representatives. IMO 
in fact it is a mistake of organisers not scheduling e-QA session 
with Carl ... that should imo become natural part of such events 
...

IRC doesn't work without a network connection

It's the venue that presented a challenge, apparently. They had some 
nice plans but firewalls sort of foiled everything.