World: r3wp

any words in a dialect

so you won't find BUTTON or GUIDE in the regular manual as they belong 
in the VID domain.

this is one of the major gripes about VID: I don't think there is 
one complete reference. Much of the information is either too old 
or dug up by probing inside SYSTEM/VIEW/VID to see what words are 
available in there.

Oh! right and VID could be replaced by rebGUI or whatever

yes, or your own dialect.

Pennies dropped !! Thanks Henrik

let me ask, do you know what a dialect is? If you know, then I think 
you know what I mean with language domains.

Only form the context I've read in the introductory docs

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ok

Fun fact: VID was developed by Carl in about a week. It shows. :-)

It may have it's faults! but when you've developed things with abstraction 
in mind your on the right footing to fix whatevers wrong

Your list-view for example - in hind-site you say it's big and bulk 
and could be done better - but the Grids and Tables that Microsoft 
and Java dish out can't come near to matching what yours provides 
out-of the-box

I'm just glad that we'll be able to get rid of all the flaws with 
VID3. Tha's why I'm motivated for still teaching it.

It's a great oportunity

I'm fortunate in that I can choose what I use and I wont be using 
anything else!  Just need to get up to speed ;-)

I guess what LIST-VIEW can do the things it does, mostly because 
of how simple and flexible block operations are in REBOL. I've not 
worked much with C or JAVA, but arrays in PHP are a complete nightmare, 
requiring 20-30 lines of code with what you can do in REBOL in 1-2 
lines of code. My coding expertise has less to do with that, than 
the things REBOL enables you to do within that amount of code.

While it's only 110 kB of code, it's still a lot by REBOL standards. 
The entire of VID3 without the style library is smaller than this. 
The DevBase application is 50 kb. I'm sure that LIST-VIEW's successor 
can be half the current size, be faster and more flexible.

I'm looking forward to using REBOL 3    If I buy the SDK now will 
that get me the SDK in REBOL 3 or will I have to buy it again ?? 
 (Not sure if it's a question for you!)

Correct, it isn't a question for me. :-) I'd probably wait a bit 
until we have a clear statement on SDK issues from REBOL Technologies.

Thanks, is it going to be say twelve months before I could do a commercial 
app text-list 's and all ?

on the safe side, probably something like that. OTOH, maybe Gabriele 
will go crazy and have it ready in two weeks. :-)

:-)

there has been a tendency to give out some ridiculous time tables. 
Carl originally suggested R3 was to go beta by august 1st 2007. it 
didn't take long to see that it was unrealistic. so... if RT posts 
time tables, ignore them.

Ok  lol

Steve, just additional comment on 'guide word.  Henrik stated this 
"this means here, that it will affect how far to the left 'return 
will put the layout cursor" which is not incorrect, but I believe 
it also remembers the top margin location as well. In the example 
you provided, without the 'guide where it is, the box should have 
lined up with the top of the "Subpanel Example".  However, it lines 
up where the guide was placed, under that text.

also, the 'return made a second 'column' in this case, thus we don't 
align with the guides left margin, only the top.

Ok Brock - thanks, I've setup a pretty vanilla script and I'm just 
going to add these guide like things in and see what they do.

To convert some of my apps I may need some form  of 'anchor' facility

you can use any named element in a GUI and by using it's 'offset 
and some simple math you reposition your current position.  ie.  
  at field2/offset + 200x0.  This will reposition your current location 
at field2's offset plus 200 pixels to the right.

Cool - thanks Brock

GUIDE is also sensitive to the layout "direction", i.e., whether 
you're using ACROSS or BELOW. You can also manually remember locations.

	; some layout code
	here: at	; remember a postion
	; some layout code
	at here
	; some layout code

That's handy if you want to overlay a face direclty on another one.

Right so as your building up your display you can 'return' to that 
point

Correct.

Perspectives of a newbie! By Steve Thornton (SteveT) 

Hi, it's that pesky newbie again!


I've been reading thru 'Rebol Programming for the Absolute Beginner'
by Nick Antonaccio.

It's a must read in my view (xcuse the pun)


I think anyone coming from a studio dev environment like me will 
find it very useful.

Regards
Steve

Did you find it from the REBOL site, or some other way?

Hi Gregg, I googled it - I picked that out because it was dated 2006/2007 
- some of the older stuff 2000/2001 seems a bit out of date.

Thanks. I asked because it's a good resource for new people, but 
it's kind of buried on the REBOL site.

Sorry broadbands been down all day Grrrr!  Yes Gregg there's plenty 
of material but as you have a wander thru some of the stuff you soon 
get away from some important stuff you should read first.

One other thing that may be relevant is which applications you've 
had experience in before. Perhaps the introductory stuff should be 
arranged like ---- php, tkl, python users start here !    Experienced 
Web developers (Javascript /CSS guru's) start here !  --- Desktop 
application (Java / C# / QuickBasic etc.. Start Here !!

Perspective of a newbie BY Steve Thornton (SteveT)

Hi, Once I got my broadband back again today, I've worked thru ALL 
the examples in the REBOL/View Developers Guide.  I looked at it 
before, but you have to play with the examples and it can give you 
a better understanding of laying-out your screens using panels etc.. 
I even found a reference the the Guide keyword that threw me the 
other day. I'm not doing much training this month (The accountants 
are doing tax returns in the UK. So I've given myself till the end 
of January to get some of my apps ported to REBOL.  One is a hotel 
booking system - I want to see how fast I can convert it!  As well 
as learning REBOL I am also trying to achieve a Richer look and feel 
than I've used before. I'll let you know how I get on.   Bye for 
now.

Perspective of a newbie By Steve Thornton (SteveT)

Hi all, stuck a post  of my progress with REBOL on Windows Live today 
 http://swt1962.spaces.live.com/

Hey SteveT, nice job.  You've been active in Rebol for a week and 
you've done more for evangalizing Rebol than I have in... I don't 
care to say.  Any way, keep it up and you'll be one of the Rebol 
Guru's in no time.

Steve, nice article and good looking app you have there.

Thanks Anton

Thanks Brock

SteveT, that is a great looking gui. One Week? Incredible.

Thanks amacleod, Ive got it to re-size as well - the functionality 
as a main menu doesn't really require it   but I wanted to see if 
I could.  It's been rebDB day today, that''s real fun to use.  going 
to create a customer licence code creator tonight that shoud get 
me used to parsing strings eh!!