World: r3wp

Would a web front-end (with similar functionality to AltME) increase 
accessibility? Or can the functionality of AltME be subsumed into 
QTask? (which is already web-based and has messaging, calender, to 
do lists, etc)


I've seen first hand how readily people will "try out" something 
online (forum, wiki, members area, etc) but shy away when asked to 
"download this software to get access". I think part of the problem 
stems from most Windows users fear of installing any software that 
is available over the net (they still trust and prefer CDs from "reputable" 
companies).

ashley - plugin :-)

We are woking on Qtask + AltME right now.

Reichart - what is the state of SDK, or was it Coop? IIRC Carl said 
something during/after the DevCon, that "it" will be transferred 
to Safeworlds, whatever "it" means ....

Yup.  We are working on that too.  We will make a formal statement 
about everything soon.  It is actively being worked on.

Be carefull with soons! ;)

Well, this is why I point out "activiley" since it means one or more 
people are working on it right now.

Out of the blue: how can I browse to links published on AltMe, without 
having to type then over? A left clik on the link does not do anything, 
a write click  copy the link, but is not passable into the browser, 
and the link is not selectable...
I'm using Linux Mandriva 10.2 and Firefox.

middle-mouse-button pastes from a different lcipboard. with moz that 
works here (debian)

with others (konq) i use a launcher-script: http://polly.rebol.it/test/test/linux/icewm/app-launcher.r
launches apps with value from clipboard.

left-click launches mozilla here. i do not know how altme choosed 
that. special file, env-var?

Thanks Volker, middle-button works fine! Why could I think about 
that myself :-/

Where I am, left button attempts to launch a browser (and fails -- 
but probably due to my messed up settings). Right button copies link 
to clipboard.

Question to go with my dual boot Q. in 'Hardware' -- can AltME, running 
under respective OSes on a dual boot system share the same data?

Hmmm....I don't know for sure.  I can't think of a problem with that 
actually.

Having a little trouble getting AltME to work in Ubuntu Breezy.  
I'll need to go back and make a note of specifics, but double-clicking 
the icon does nothing (rwe all checked), and running from the terminal 
gives me an error.

I had that error to under Breezy and I believe some one else too 
(check the Linux group). It helped when I upgraded to Dapper

Because AltME is not visible to the googlebots, it's also not visible 
to google ads .. think of the potential income a chat room could 
earn!

No Graham, no!

I use Altme on a share partition, but between 2 Windows install. 
No problem.
Dunno with different OSs.

Altme seem to be taking much longer  to start up recently,  other 
users of  my world are noticing as well. seems to be in the world 
lookup phase

I experience that too

is somthing overloading your servers down there?  getting denial 
of service?

Nope,  not that I can see.

We are working on updates for AltME, and we really want to nail this 
dot bug.


It is hard for us to see, so anything you can tell us about it will 
help.

Your connection type and platform being key.
Mine is T1/Windows MCE


One of the key questions is, when you start up a world, AltME syncs. 
 When the bug happens (which I assume means you see no groups turn 
red), did you see it sync?

Do you see anything odd happen bellow the line that says "Rebol3 
as <name>"?

Does the progress bar (the vertical space to the left of the icons) 
fill with red?

If we can see a pattern, we can nail this.

this may not be relevant, but right now I'm on 56k because my broadband 
is down. the broadband antenna can let me ping probably 0.1% of the 
packets correctly, so I can't do anything, but AltME allowed me to 
connect anyway (amazing I think, when ping hardly works!). but everything 
of course stops right after logging in, e.g. just before syncing 
with the groups being greyed out.


I also get funny errors, such as that the "REBOL3 world doesn't exist", 
when trying to log in.

this is mostly a comment on how AltME performs on an almost dead 
connection :-)

:)

I'm still seeing you connected to Synapse chat though!

not for long :-) I'm about to close down the modem

<<When the bug happens did you see it sync?>>
Very hard to say.

You notice the effects of the bug when a group suddenly disgorges 
many old messages or when looking at the webmirror of the public 
groups.

But that may be much later than the point at which the sync went 
askew.

A not about the other big big bug...the recycle bug.  when I set 
my may messages to 100, I simply never see that bug.  I left my settings 
at over 1000 recently, and I knew it because I started seeing the 
recycle bug.  If this is true for others, we will change our defaults 
to start.

I have my settins at 1000, and I see the recycle bug once in a blue 
moon.

I usually see this happening when connecting for the first time, 
and clicking on a group area while AltME is syncing.

Yeah, I get it even when moving from group to group fast.  But when 
I say I don't see it at 100, I mean I see it zero times.  Which is 
good.

Fast event switching trigers the problem. Maybe the GC gets called 
two often in those situations.

Timing? switching groups is expensive. maybe async does not like 
to big delays?

I don't think AltME is async.

<<when I set my may messages to 100, I simply never see that bug.>>
Good tip.  I hasn't seen the recycle bug for a while.
Then, last week, I upped my message limit.
And started getting recycle crashes.
And failed to make the connection :-(

could it be a buffer overflow related to an older View bug? I've 
seen older View versions crash sometimes if a layout gets too big

might fix itself if encapped against a newer SDK

There's something deep-down that is wider than View.

Run enough CGIs under Core and you'll get what seems to be the same 
sort of error.

Which is weird as each CGI is a separate incarnation (when not using 
fastCGI, anyway).

When I saw the dot bug then most of the time a lot of the groups 
were syncing correctly and there was one or two groups that just 
didn't sync completely like it got some bad packets or something.

On the Recycle bug,  I often leave my message limit at at least 1000 
I've turned it up to 5000 a couple times because messages I was searching 
for were more than 1000 messages in the past.   If I leave it at 
5000 and then don't log in for about a week then I almost always 
get a recycle bug by logging in and clicking on the first group to 
sync while it is syncing the rest of the groups.  Waiting for syncing 
to complete will usually avoid the Recycle bug.  The number of unread 
messages in the group your switching to while it is syncing seems 
to affect whether or not you see the bug, more unread messages seems 
to increase the chance that you will see it.

On the dot bug, on our desktop that's connected to the LAN by wire, 
I nearly never notice anything, then on my laptop wirelessly (weaker 
connection) it seems to just lag, then give up.


I haven't seen the recycle bug in AltME ever since I left the number 
of messages at 100.  I saw it twice in a span of several months, 
though, with it set at 500 messages.

Daniel, yeah, seems 100 is the magical number.

There shouldn't be magical numbers. After all this is computing, 
which for this case should bring deterministic behaviour.

Maybe it has to do with that text clip bug that was found mentioned 
recently ?

(when the text is larger than the face and has to be clipped. After 
many faces it lead to a crash. ... Who posted that... )

Jaime, Altme is using quantum computing methods .. so it's no longer 
deterministic!