World: r3wp

footnote: the Griswold papers on SNOBOL and ICON ended up in the 
library at UMN - his collaborators may never have thought of posterity 
taking an interest.

Only when they're used. Many of the people in the community don't 
really use email anymore (including Carl and me).

I'm not opposed to having the mailing list continue, but really dread 
having to use it, which I will have to if it starts being used.

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Why are special chars like: ä ö ü ß totally screwed up when posted 
from OSX and read from a Windows version an vice versa? Is there 
a solution to this?

I think they're each interpreting text according to their own native 
character set. Windows in UTF-16, OS X and Linux probably in UTF-8. 
AltME doesn't compensate

Yes, AltME simply ignores character encoding.It simply regurgitates 
the text it receives from the client. I believe that REBOL/View uses 
the default codepage under Windows(not utf-16) and MacRoman under 
OS/X. I suspect it uses ISO-8859-1 under Linux but am not sure.

Any solutionw would require changes to AltME.

From a previous discussion: Whenever I post something from the clipboard 
into AltME I make sure I run the following first:

cb: func [][
    write clipboard:// read clipboard://
]

Ashley that overcomes the 'newline" issue with pasting OS X text 
(\n newlines) into AltME which uses MacRoman (\r newlines) but I 
don't think that it overcomes the charcter encoding issues.

You're right ... just tried it with some quoted text from a Pages 
document:

	ÒQuotes are the main culpritÓ

Most of accented characters are affected - it makes the messages 
in FRANCE unreadable.

I don't have trouble with accents in  Altme... its more the germanic/scandinavian 
chars which skrew up.

That's probably because you're using Windows and the people who wrote 
the messages are also using Windows.

Try these 
a acute ˆ
e grave Ž
c circumflex 

ah yes.. its not just region its also the os that's the problem.

It's not really a problem if you remember that AttME is designed 
to support 7-bit ASCII across operating systems.


It's just these users that wan't to write some fancy characters ;-)

yeah damn frenchies  ;-)

In fact AltME works pretty well for WIndows users as long as they 
stick to Windows Codepage 1252.

I've finally broken the secret of how to get reliable message copying 
to clipboard from altme !!!!

just make sure to click in the message posting text area before right 
clicking on the post you want to copy !

interesting ..!

in the last year, I've been noticing that the message copying worked 
somehow and there was a pattern... I just coudn't figure it out.

then, today I did 11 copy/pastes in a row and was typing at the same 
time (and they all worked!)...

that's when I realized that going from typing to copying was the 
secret!

Is that on Windows? I've been reporting the procedure for Linux here 
for years

yep on windows.  strange, maybe I just forgot or didn't notice your 
post(s) about it.

I didn't know it was that problematic on Windows as well - or maybe 
I also forgot :-)

Public group request (probably not web-public yet): WebOS
Description: Development for WebOS with REBOL

Similar to the Android group.

Reposting Robert's request: How about creating an RMA group?

Done!

Thanks, Sunanda.

Hi everyone. For the record, logging into REBOL-gate as guest/guest 
doesn't work.

Ends up giving an incorrect password error.

Welcome, Rob

Thanks Rob.
I've fixed that.....Next step is to find out what broke it :)

The SQLite group is broken ... I suspect a corrupt file on the server.

Symptoms: if you've recently re-installed AltME, then the program 
runs continuously, endlessly resyncing that group.


This happened before, and the workaround was to copy over a good 
copy of the 439.set file (thanks to Peter Wood for the good copy). 
But that no longer seems to work.


I am going to delete the group and set up a new one with the same 
name. The archive  of past postings will remain available here:
    http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp439x1

Is anyone using AltMe from linux (like a recent Ubuntu)? I moved 
to linux for 90% of things but I can't run altme there, and rebol 
view crashes also. I didn't look into depth of why..

works here with ubuntu 10.10

Been using the Linux versions as much as possible (which isn't always 
the case) since they exist

It works fairly well on recent Ubuntu, although the fonts are better 
on some other distros

File sharing still suffers greatly from the daylight savings bug, 
though

To work around that, you can run AltME on WINE, although that is 
slower

altme 1.2.25 works ok with debian 6 and ubuntu 10.10 for me. fonts 
are so-so, but at least usable

Been using it on Ubuntu 8.04 and now 10.04 (AltMe versions 1.1.29 
and currently 1.2.21)

I had to install libstdc++5_3.3.6-18_i386.deb for rebol to work

(At least, I think it was that one.  I still have it sitting in my 
home directory)

That was for the ancient 1.1.29

The font issue could be fixed easily if AltME would allow to specify 
font name or path to font in its settings.