World: r3wp

Does copy and paste not work on AltME running under Linux?

It works in the input box, but as far as I can tell, nowhere else. 
 So we can't copy/paste code that somene else posted

Double-clicking on a link doesn't open a webapge in your browser 
either....and you can't even copy the URL to paste it in the browser.

I suspect that quite a few of the AltME Linux users run the Windows 
version using WINE

Hummm. I'll try it under wine to see how it works out.  Thanks.

yes, wine.

Command: wine altme.exe -w rebol3

Some observations for Reichart on making ALTME more viral.

1.  Host all worlds for free but unsecured.
2.  Tier packages
3.  Enable one click access from external sites to ALTME worlds
4.  Ads Tier


1)  Regarding #1 - I think if you host all ALTME worlds for free 
that people will sign up quickly.  What would drive someone to fork 
over the cash is going to be traffic.  I can bet that once someone 
starts getting traffic to their world and generating content they 
are going to want to keep it.  ALTME owns the content of the worlds 
until someone secures it with payment for the hosting account.  (Major 
incentive that rewards growth).


2) Make product tiers that  target hosting accounts towards gaining 
income and visibility for their hosted safeworlds.


3) Think of going to a website and it says something like JOIN the 
DISCUSSION and then says click here and has a small ALTME logo that 
launches you into ALTME and then takes you directly to the particular 
safeworld.  and if someone doesn't it have it - it takes you to ALTME 
download link.  Almost all other messaging mediums have this capability.


4) This is an excellent idea to compliment number 2.  One tier that 
can be offers for additional costs would allow ADVERTISEMENTS within 
the safeworld framework.  For example, consider many online forums 
generate revunue from Google Adsense by placement of ads in their 
content.  ALTME could offer this type of capability as well.  This 
is really an area where I think that REBOL can get great exposure. 
 If advertisements are required to be put forward in REBOL code this 
means that Google would have to have REBOL programmers develop delivery 
content to interface with ALTME.  I have no doubt in my mind that 
they would do it.  ALTME can boast that it has www.rebol.com as a 
marketing partner and REBOL.com according to marketleap.com is a 
"contender" class website showing that ALTME can get the word out 
if it really wants to.

It _is_ possible to copy/paste in linux, but altme mangles the two 
different paste buffers, so ...

you have to copy by using ctrl+c, and to insert the text in any other 
app than altme, use middle mouse click.
Works for me on ubuntu 7.10

Does anyone know where the world is stored in MS Vista when you have 
UAC on ?  I've searched my hard drive and can't find it

I wish to open up the directory where files are shared but the windows 
explorer doesn't open.

I believe, because I installed Altme into the programs directory, 
that the data etc is in some virtual drive system to sandbox everything.

AltME should change the default install directory and not choose 
the Programs directory in Vista.

Or, get AltME signed .. that might help.

If i turn UAC off, it downloads all the world data again.

I don't want to see a sea of red

Re virtual dirs;  try  C:\Users\<you>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program 
Files\Altme\...

You may need to tweak Search (and these options are buried deep enough 
that I can't remember) to include non-indexed data.

And I like this one; from wikipedia User_Access_Control
---

However, David Cross, a product unit manager at Microsoft, stated 
during the RSA Conference 2008 that UAC was in fact designed to "annoy 
users", and force independent software vendors to make their programs 
more secure so that UAC prompts would not be triggered.
---

Smart company;  annoy a billion people to get 1000 to play nice with 
Microsoft.  I say we get out the torches and chase down Dr. Frankenstein. 
 :)

That makes me Cross

If you are on Vista (or for that matter any Windows from 2000 up), 
install AltMe in %appdata%\AltMe. AltMe's directory usage is not 
Windows 2000 compliant.

I moved my AltME from program files to it's own directory so I can 
now browse the downloads.  Now I get a security requester each time 
I start up Altme ... I guess because it has not been signed.

That may be from the security alternate data stream. Get AOD from 
http://tp.lc.ehu.es/jma/win95.htmland see.

AOD -> ADS

Not sure if this has been suggested before but a Search [By Group|By 
Person|All] would be very helpful in Altme especially when combining 
threads/posts from disparate groups/users - this would also bring 
us more in line with web based forums for usability :)

erm ignore that.. i finally discovered the magnifying glass..

never noticed that before :)

I think i am so used to looking for a textbox next to a search button 
that i totally overlooked it.  Perhaps that is something to consider 
- new users to altme who have come from a web background will be 
expecting a textbox where they can type something in and then press 
search.  Having it 'hidden' behind a button may cause confusion for 
some of us ;)

what's the logic in segregating some buttons top right and some top 
left??

top right seem to all be group/message related so they form a logical 
grouping.  As for the top left buttons they seem generic functionality 
based - whether they are easier than a menu functionality i'm not 
sure - one has to hover over them to determine their immediate usage

so chat settings is in the wrong place!

yes

probably better to have all the icons in a row at the top

like 123

( Lotus )

quite possibly - although i would have a main bar across the top 
with world/setting options and pane/message related stuff built into 
the message pane to show a clear linkiing

it also open the option of multi-child panes being displayable

although not sure if that would see wide usage

Perhaps the guiding principal is that the brain can only grasp 5 
things at one time?

quite possibly

( related to the fact we only developed 5 fingers on each hand ... 
)

although from my psychology studies they reckon 7 is a good limit

I just made that up :)

seeing as i have a little free time i'll go sketch out an 'I wish' 
Altme interface ;)

using R3 ?

yes

wip ;)  http://rebol.mustard.co.nz/mockup-v1.pngdone with draw 
and a little bit of R3

Just experience the same problem I had in January; the "exists, but 
not on-line" error. Fortunately, I posted the note here about how 
to fix it by starting the world from the menu in the app, not with 
a startup shortcut.

is it logical to group altme users and groups inside the same control 
as they are different entities and things such as status do not seem 
to apply equally?  I understand that they are treated as 'personal/private' 
chat groups but the users seem to fill a dual role here.

current user info indicated:
1. is user online
2. when was user last on
3. are there new private messages from a user

current group info:
1. are there new messages

seems to work okay