World: r3wp

I salute Altme for simplicity ;)

n°151

Thanks all, again.

Simple has advantages.....And that is a big advantage for me right 
now.


But, with my Security hat on:  the gaps in the Group-id numbers I 
see in the users.set file enable me to infer the existence of ex- 
or private groups. If I'd copied users.set daily, the skips in numbers 
would leak some additional information. Maybe not enough to launch 
some sort of attack, but more info than need be leaked.

KISS

Keep it simple, sure.
Bur also keep it safe and secure.

Leaking the total number of groups (ever) in a world would not be 
considered secure enough in some markets.
It's the traditional design tradeoffs.

I"m glad it wasn't me that Reichart was kissing!

If you are kissed by a baron, could you turn into a frog?

Share the love man, just share the love.

is it possible to have an API for altme where we can do things such 
as online backgammon via altme?  Its the perfect lobby setup :)

AltME 3

great - ill start on Backgammon next weekend :)

Icarii, but coding for AltME 3 will start in few months imo :-)

-pekr- being a bad guy once again :-)

ahh - but its better to be prepared no? ;)

How does Altme! keep track of  a client's cach of messages? Does 
it update based on differences from the messages on hte client machine 
or from the server? What I want to know is: if I use altme from two 
differnet computers will I always get a full update when I log on 
or will I lose messages if I loged on a different computer before. 
I'm having trouble updating on a computer I  recently installed Altme 
on. I am not able to get many of the groups to download the old messages.

Is there a way to manualy download the messages for a perticular 
group?

It updates based on the list from the client.  You can install on 
multiple computers using the same account and it will download all 
the messages to ensure your clients are up to date.

Reichart can confirm if there is a way to get old messages.  You 
might be able to either delete a group index file or something like 
that, but I don't know for sure as I haven't played with this at 
all.  Others here may have experience.

I know if you right-click on a group name, you will get some details 
related to that group.  I believe the number that appears in the 
upper right-hand corner may be of use to help idenfify the file that 
is used to store the contents of the group.

What you are describing may be the symptom that others have been 
talking about to describe the 'Dot' problem that happens on some 
clients.  I can't help there as I have never experienced messages 
not appearing or groups being out of synch, to the best of my knowledge.

You have to reinstall to get a full fresh mix (simply put).

IIRC  problems with altme fonts on linux have already been discussed, 
I just don't know where.

For the time being I can switch the text fonts from "much too small" 
to "still too small", while the groups list stays on "barely readable".

Any ideas?   (I'm using Ubuntu 7.04: X.org 7.2.0)

Anb by the way, though altme tells me, that I'd have to press ALT-S 
to send, it still sends on return

if you're using ubuntu 7.04, use altme under wine. it works much 
better :)

Well, that's an alternative I don't particularly like ... would it 
help to change so Debian?

don't think so.

but, you may try installing more fonts... i think altme linux is 
using helvetica, maybe you don't have a scalable version of helvetica.

for me it works. either i have better eyes (doubt that) or i installed 
something. could be

http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_and_Tweaks#Miscellaneous
#  Extra Fonts (Additional fonts and msttcorefonts)

Please post a picture of AltME looking bad on your flavour of Linux.

I think, there are too many groups in this world, REBOL3. Am I alone 
with this point of view?

Let's start another group to discuss this issue. ;) But seriously, 
if there was an option to archive/delete "inactive" groups (say, 
after 6 months without a new post) then that might help.

I would also not mind if worlds could be split up, or if you could 
move groups between worlds.

Is this not why they included dividers?

AltME is nice! :-) It's maybe not perfect, but it's one of the applications, 
I really use a lot. And that I enjoy using. Say thanks to the team, 
Reichart! If I could, I would take them out for a beer.

: )

And I would take them out for beer even if they would not do AltME 
in particular :-)

You may remember that, before the Crash of March '07, REBOL.net was 
hosting a small, web-accessible archive of this world.....It showed 
the last 300 posts in all [web-public] groups.

Now, with Carl's permission, we're hosting it on REBOL.org. With 
some changes:
-- *all* the posts, not just the last 300

-- permanent URLs, so you can refer to classic posts by a fixed address
-- [one day soon: fully searchable]

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/aga-groups-index.r?world=r3wp
***

Posts will lag a day or so behind for the first few weeks until we 
properly integrate it into REBOL.org.

Thankyou.

Re: Serving multiple worlds. If I have a shortcut to start a second 
world, e.g.: 

	path/altme.exe -s "worldname" -p 5401


On the same machine where a world is running on port 5400, the second 
world starts fine, but the Check World tool reports that it's on 
Port 5400, and attempts to connect go to the other world (which *is* 
on port 5400).

Has anyone else seen this?

In a similar vein, does anyone else want the feature to be able to 
post via the command line or some nice API? e.g. 

	path/altme.exe -w world -to group|user -m msg

One problem with the command line approach could be message length/formatting.

Sending a quick note with the CLI would be nice and I'd use it.  
Maybe not everyday, but I can see the potential.  (Now I'm kidding...) 
Unless I had to boot into Windows to send the quick note.

Greg, my problems with worlds colliding has been limited of late, 
but I recall it had something to do with the fact that the original 
world associated with 5400 was not working when you regestered the 
new world.  So instead of the new world grabbing the 5401 port (the 
next in line) it grabbed the first available port, 5400.

In my experience that meant that you now have to simply drop that 
word and create another world that will respond to the proper port. 
 meaning have your original world running when you register the new 
world.

I had lots of problems with this early on when trying to run multiple 
worlds.  At one time I had 4 worlds that I attempted to keep going, 
for free without reserving the world name (I know, i'm cheap), but 
found it was a pain to keep restarting the worlds in sequence one 
one of the worlds inactivated.

not to mention the groups I was trying to keep in touch with had 
no interest in this type of tool.... now they all use facebook and 
Messenger.  Go figure.

Thanks Brock.

Glad I could finally help someone here.