World: r3wp

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Wooo hooo, back on altme :-) Was anyone else experiencing difficulties 
connecting? Even rebol.net was down for me. Well, maybe so, as I 
am alone here :-)

I couldn't connect for almost all day here in Indonesia, Pekr.

hmm, so it was probably problem of some of RT's servers .....

same

And I was expecting a flood of messages!

Well, I naively thought, that maybe RT is preparing servers for unexpected 
R3 release, all new website, etc. Silly me :-)

almost a full day...

hehe

pekr, stop creating occasions for disapointment... its not good for 
your negativity  ;-)

:-)

the server just crashed (probably same problem as mail.rebol.net, 
but we don't know for sure yet)

Carl said it could have been some Fedora update that happened automatically

how does altME install an update over itself?

and how does it restart itself?

Why not just turn off automatic updates?

that's not the point. I'm making the same mechanism myself and was 
wondering how a running program can delete itself.

Huh?

It's a linux update ..not altme

uhm... I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

I'm talking about the Windows version of AltME. Whenever there is 
an update, it's capable of updating itself and restarting. I simply 
want to know how it does that, because I need that functionality 
in my own programs.

its possible, the bulk of the code is not within the altme.exe file 
itself.

but only Reichart can really tell you how he implemented it.

Maarten's program does that too .. uses Gab's library.

I think there is just a shell running that runs the encrypted source.

when new source is detected, it just downloads it, and restarts by 
loading the new source and running it.

which is why it only updates when the program starts ...

http://www.rebol.net/article/0320.html

I run a Windows 2003 server on another box .. since there is no communcation 
to outside .. I decided never to update it.

That was after a particular bad instance when this box updated, and 
blue screened after that.  I had to completely reinstall the OS about 
3 times, each time blue screening after an update.  Never again!

That is really strange ... and tells something about Microsoft.

It is probably okay if you have 100%standard configuration.

I just installed suse10 on another box ( old dell poweredge server 
).

Did all the updates and then tried to install vmware server .. no 
go. complained of kernel mismatches when trying to do stuff.

So, wiped the install, installed fresh from cd, and then installed 
vmware server.  Not a single glitch now.

Should I therefore not install anymore patches?

Can not safeworlds host R3 ?

and now we have new "patches" like WGA, which may stop your computer 
from working also

(even if it is genuine)

Yeah .. reports coming of genuine vista being hit

why not just turn off automatic updates

 - that's what i always do. better to do the updates manually. but 
 it's a waste of time, if only they could get these things right...

I think it's a little weird that an executable can't delete itself 
while running, but another script can delete that executable while 
the executable is running. I was therefore thinking about making 
a separate "self destruct and install" script which then could be 
launched. I've done that now, but the application restarts instead 
of quitting.

another script can delete that executable while the executable is 
running

 <-- it appears that this only works when deleting the application 
 via an SMB share, not directly on the Windows machine...

moving to core...

Funny how this:

"When you guys have your Top 10, - AND - you all 
agree to the list, then we will attack it : )"

"Reichart promised 
to fix the top 10 annoyances in AltME if we could all agree. We came 
up with list - here's hoping!"

(forgot Mac throws away CRs)

That was meant to be

Funny how this:

"When you guys have your Top 10, - AND - you all 
agree to the list, then we will attack it : )"

Becomes this

"Reichart promised to fix the top 10 annoyances in 
AltME if we could all agree. We came up with list - here's hoping!"

We are indeed using the top 10 to guide what we try to fix.  But 
for the record, we will attack which ever is easiest, and which eve 
 takes the least time first, but try to make that from the top 10.