World: r3wp

mmm... oh well... the world is not perfect...

Graham wrote "< than 7% of all people, or all males ?" 

Is there any difference (here).  As a matter of fact, other than 
Cindy, are there any females here?

James, yes, good point, as a general rule I try not to use colour 
alone to denote things.  Oddly, you are the first person to mention 
this.

Please note the 7% issue in your feedback, this will push it up on 
the list (the list is big), but we do fix things in a specific order.

Feature Request:  I'd like a one button push or automtated/timed 
solution to bring up the "Getting Started Window" OR remove focus 
from all groups.  Why?  If you aren't actually using AltME (it's 
running in the background), and you get new messages, the messages 
in the group you are currently 'in' aren't highlighted as new.  Which 
can make it confusing when the tool tells you a new message has been 
received, but you don't see a hightlight on any group (and don't 
check the time on the messages in the 'current' group).

Is ALTME development dead or stifled?

Graham, that is pretty funny (Posting).

you should post that in Hunmour!!!!  Not here!

AltME is being worked on, but the big features we are working on 
(as opposed to lots of little ones) will take a while (there is a 
complete rewrite going on).

Wasn't there someone else working on an ALTME clone?

I can only pray.

What is the largest world in ALTME?

Rewrite with big features:  That sounds very promising.  Looking 
forward to it.

Don't know, I don't keep up on it.  But this one is in the top 100.

Actually, since the reset, that might not be true.

We don't track other people's sizes per se.

Got ya.

Can you even really know, since you don't host all of the worlds?

I guess its gonna knock our socks off when we see it.

Yes, becuase we can track connections, but we don't do that exactly, 
so "really  know?" prob not.

Do you have stats on things like the number of worlds 'active' and 
how many you host and how many are hosted elsewhere?

Knock your socks off?  No, perhaps just get rid of a lot of deep 
bugs completely, and enable us to move on to the next stage (applets, 
and applets written by people other than us).

Yes, we track number of worlds, this is reflected on the website.

I have to bolt.

Well, it will be interesting.  I'm now an advisor to the company 
"fellows" on collaboration and other issues.  So, I hope to be able 
to contribute some info some time to the management.

Paul, I help people do that quite often...so if you need ammunition 
to blow them away...I'm only a 4 hour drive away...;-) (I pitch AltME, 
IOS, and other REBOL based technologies...and my road-show is ready 
at a moment's notice)

Yes, I'm aware of thanks :-)    I only advise and stimulate the Fellows 
members thinking.  If they come back I can always refer them to you.

Reichart, one thing  which I realise as a new world master is the 
lack of being able to integrate the altme product within a larger 
toolset within a company toolset.

things like automated notifications and such are very handy when 
tracking procedures which are automated by computers.  This usually 
gets done in mails, but is rapidly ineffective, as people get inundated 
by mails...

this being said, if it can be done as part of your rewrite, the ability 
to run altme on command-line to be able to post to a group, would 
be VERY powerfull.

we could stop using mails when tracking renders and stuff like that.

something like a altme:// protocol loadable within rebol, similar 
to the mySql protocol by Nenad, would be really effective.  reading 
your post from a file browser and saving new posts to it from ANY 
rebol app.    :-)

This is a GREAT feature, and you are talking directly to how I think.

Please write this up and send to feedback for one thing.

So with Uniserve you would be able to send AltME message to IRC etc 
:-)

Right.

... of course if something like that makes sense, but the possibility 
remains ... :-)

All products and people win when we open up hooks so everything can 
communicate with everything else.

We are working towards that.

that is very good new... now I won't have to rewrite messenger for 
IOS  ;-)

Mmm, so to post a message here you would do this:

write altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/ "message"

Some more ideas:

write altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/ "message"

Resolved of the first url here to the second url
by the Rebol3 world (local distribution):

altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/239
is resolved to:
altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/151/239

151 is the set-file number for the !AltME group, and
239 is the message id.

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME
;== [set-number 151 first-available-message 1 last-message 242]


So it returns some group info, not the content of all the messages 
!

To get a message:

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/239

;== [(date) 9 (colour) [font [fg 0.0.0 bg 240.240.240]] "We are working 
towards that."]

To find a user name by the set-number:

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/9

;== ["Reichart" [reichart-:-safeworlds-:-com] (membership) (dates etc..)]

can be a disaster, if someone gets password and will script and flood 
channel :-)

Well, write does not have to be implemented. But we will cross the 
security bridge when we get to it.

If a bad guy discovers the guest/guest logon they can delete every 
group.
Security is not one of Altme's core qualities.

I would say it is an intended quality.

Whether that or not, it creates a problem of scalability.

If 1 in 100 of people who find the guest details are bad guys, then 
any public world has an easily estimated probably lifetime.


(The fact that worlds have been destroyed by hardware failure before 
the bad guys arrived doesn't invalidate that argument -- just highlights 
another security/scalability issue).


And I'm not suggesting that 1/100 of Internet users are bad guys 
-- the bad guys might work harder at finding things to damage than 
the good guys.

I still argue the hardware failure has nothing to do wtih AltME. 
 Since a double blind test shows all software fails this same test.

As to security, that is easy, don't have a guest account.


This "world" is like a Hostel.  People come and go, and if someone 
wants to come in and burn the books one night, they can.


There is no level of security that will stop this.  If I get your 
right password I can destroy your credit rating, blah blah blah.

None of this has anything to do with AltME.


However, we could add more locks to more doors, and that is a different 
issue.  We would thus be changing the philosophy here, which I'm 
open to, but it still needs to be clear this is a different issue 
than is be ascribed to AltME.

just adding moderated groups solves the issue.

you can have guest accounts but they'll never kill any moderated 
group.