World: r3wp

another feature request: when people use background colors, make 
some kind of algorithm that would make it impossible for the text 
color and the background color collide. :-)

But that means yoyu won't have invible text!

perhaps an option to neutralise a colour combination by the reader?

Or, a hover mode that reveals the hidden text?

clicking on message normalizes color (untilgroup-change)?

maybe with a bigger border

also not to make assumptions about what default fore/back colors 
should be.  paying attention to OS defaults can help there.

scott, are you using a TFT display? the colors you use really strain 
my monitor.

Just click on the disable colors button ;)

:)

sweet, now if they were only the colors I'd want, instead of the 
white screen supremicists defaults

well, research says that black text on white bg is less dangerous 
for the eyes than white text on black bg (especially in a dark room)

love to see a reference.  white is for paper to be.

I think it's even more straining to the eyes to mix black on white 
and white on black texts in various areas of the screen.

that's probably true.  altme stands out like a sore thumb on my screen. 
 All the other apps pretty much abide byt my defaults.

well, then perhaps allow color configuration in AltME?

I can stop posting in colors, actually.  I don't want to irritate 
anyone any further.  now that I've expressed my wishes for altme 
to not neutron-bomb my eyeballs, I'll swiitch it off.

nobody liked my last color scheme, either. . .  This one is closer 
to my windows default, though.   The last one was like old-school 
amber, and that is similar to my Textpad colors.

Hang on, was all these obscene colour schemes of yours some type 
of protest that all of us, who had no control over, were being subjected 
to?

ooooh.  topic is nice.

There's a formula for chosing a readable forground/background color 
pair here:
http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca/WebPageColors.html
That's one way to reduce some of the apparent subjectiivity

how's this?

I think we should kill all colour options.

scott: the reason is that with a black bg your eye will let more 
light in, because on average it's darker, and the white pixels will 
"burn" the retina. with more illumination the eye adjusts so that 
you don't get too much light in.

wouldn't break my heart, if AltMe used my system defaults.

sure, i agree it would be better to have user defaults.

i'm just saying that light bg is usually the default for a reason, 
not because we're all crazy ;)

quote from that article:

Several other important findings also resulted from the analysis 
including the fact that light-on-dark color combinations were rated 
the same as dark-on-light color combinations and the fact that as 
the overall brightness of the text/background combination increased, 
so did the overall user rating.

It's so we don't waste ink when we print!

but all my software seems smart enough to know what I want.  I can 
specify all text as black in IE.

that's weird.  why is all the white now pink?  maybe I just don't 
know what i'm doing, or I need to RTM

It's a general issue about usability.

Web browers are much more flexible -- they have to be: they have 
more users.

Soem accessibility options (like chosing fonts and sizes) need to 
be built into View rather than each application.....Then making fluid 
GUI applications will be easy.

Is there a "hot-key" to turn on/off the multiple-line (CR-mode) in 
Altme? I know it's just a mouse-click away but...

The pencil icon

ah, but you're looking for a hotkey... sorry, not that I am aware 
of.

Ctrl-E

For the future, just type "AltME shortcuts" into google.

Then bitch at us for not updating it : )

Which you can do here: http://www.altme.com/feedback.html

ha, nice website!

such face-lift would not hurt for RT's site :-)

Ah, you guys are on it! Thanks all. No complaining here, Reichart.

: )

I've been getting lots of these errors lately for some reason ( Never 
had this problem before):

Invalid data type during recycle
** Press enter to quit...

That is what we call the "rebol" bug.

I'm wondering if it might be cause by not enough ram? I've installed 
too many programs that leave drivers running in memory.

We see it randomly so far.

I think it was caused by my setting message limit to 10000 per chat 
room so I could do some searching.

I changed it back to 100 per chat room, and now the problem is gone.

Cool!  That is actually pretty solid info then.  WE are going to 
simply cap to 100 except for single operations.  In other words, 
you can search the past, but then return to 100.