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Also If you need pixel-precise results in your app you can still 
use the Agg for making hi-quality output etc.

so what's available on Android for e.g.? Skia? Cairo? Or their Canvas 
engine is another different thing?

AFAIK Android uses Skia for the Canvas graphics.

Well, without R3 core being compiled to droid, there's no chance 
to get R3 running there, no? So your tests involved pure AGG test, 
with no relation to REBOL?

Yes, but you can guess how Rebol will be fast on such device. The 
cpu I have has around 600Mhz so just remember when you run Rebol 
10 years ago on your desktop ;)

will it influence REBOL in overall? I mean - even Core speed? Most 
probably yes, when flot calculations are done?

hmm, maybe we should move to another group ...

I guess so :)

OK, so your engine could use the Enlightenment canvas as a rendering 
backend. :-) That's pretty much what we're planning for Red: dialects 
for multiple native backends

Today was Syllable's tenth anniversary. I took the opportunity to 
present the Enlightenment graphics engine that I've been porting 
in the past months

http://www.osnews.com/story/26189/Syllable_gets_Enlightenment_graphics_engine

Happy birthday to Syllable! Great gift Kaj.

Thanks :-)

I ported the Syllable package manager from ORCA to Boron

I was hoping to avoid this and do it in Red, but it is not there 
yet

I needed it now because call/output is broken in ORCA

So now you can program an Enlightenment widget in Boron to be displayed 
in a window on the Syllable desktop? The article is very detailed 
and requires to know a lot of background information.

No, only if you were to program a Boron extension in C that binds 
to Enlightenment

Out of the box, Boron has some bindings with Qt and OpenGL, that 
don't work on Syllable

And as the Enlightenment article says, the widget set hasn't been 
ported to Syllable Desktop yet

I'm now logged in on Syllable Server, with X11 built on top of it

We've done that for two years now, but that was on our in-house Syllable 
Workstation, Syllable Server with GoboLinux transplanted on top of 
it. Now I'm running on pure Syllable Server, with X built from source

That cleans up a lot of problems with the GoboLinux integration, 
so it is becoming production ready

On the other hand, I've just spent the equivalent of a full work 
week just to get the legacy fonts in X that R2/View needs

Depends on how much time it took you to do it.

The equivalent of a full work week

That means three days for me

I've got the Enlightenment stack running on X now, up to the widget 
set

That was a lot easier than View. It's currently a very minimal X 
configuration

I've got GTK 2 built from source running on X now, but GTK 3 bombs 
out

Now I've got Qt running on X. That didn't work in the GoboLinux mix

I already had Qt running before in embedded mode on the Linux framebuffer

I've set up a new wiki for Syllable, running on Fossil:

http://wiki.syllable.name/

For those who have been clamouring for a Syllable installation video 
in the past, we finally made one, on our SylCon summer conference 
yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpjVze-YOKI&list=PL-sJ-JyMOF6FcvI-cEK3esrCJaQzmlae0&index=2&feature=plpp_video

Kaj, do you happen to have a VMware image for version 0.6.7? I only 
saw 0.6.6 posted.

btw, is the Enlightenment engine part of the latest binaries now?

No, we haven't had time to make emulator images for 0.6.7 yet. The 
Enlightenment port isn't published in binary yet, but you could compile 
it with the Syllable build system

Are there some known graphics problems running under VMware? I had 
the browser showing Google and wikipedia for a while, but then it 
wouldn't update itself anymore. I also couldn't quit the browser. 
I have the hardware compatibility set to 6 as per instructions.

now I can't shutdown - need to pull the plug on the VM

this is with 0.6.7, btw - installed it under Workstation 9.0

VMware always worked best in the past, but since emulators do very 
low level things, one can never be sure how a new version behaves

We haven't had your precise report about VMware, but it's quite possible 
that those symptoms are just general Syllable behaviour. The browser 
uses the WebKit engine, but it's an older version and the integration 
is incomplete. Many of the more complex web sites can hang the browser, 
and in those cases, Syllable can't close the browser and hangs on 
it when shutting down

Pressing Control-Alt-Delete shuts down Syllable cleanly but forces 
applications to close, so when you have hung applications, that's 
the way to shut down. It's described in the Welcome document on the 
desktop. Does that work?

AdrianS: if you have a working 0.6.7 image for VMware, it would be 
nice if you could share it with us by sending it to Kaj (so we can 
download it from Syllable servers).

Be aware that we're not fond of serving anything. We've always made 
a lot of effort to keep our downloads as small and clean as possible. 
We welcome contributions, but we also like them to contribute their 
own hosting. Otherwise, it takes more of our time than it saves

Case in point, one of our contributors recently made a developer 
edition of Syllable 0.6.7. It's much bigger than the standard distribution, 
but he's hosting it himself, so that's fine with us

Actually, I've had VirtualBox images of Desktop 0.6.7 and Server 
0.4 for several months, but the extra work of publishing them has 
prevented me from doing that so far (you can blame Red for that ;-)

Would the VB images be usable for you?