World: r3wp

Giuseppe - long time ago, I proposed to port REBOL to JAVA VM, at 
that time it was Tao's Intent system, as I thought Amiga will become 
widespread and popular once again ;-)

... even back at that time, some ppl objected, that coding REBOL 
in JAVA or .NET would make it really slow. Instead of that, what 
was proposed was the integration work. Now with R3 Host Kit and Extensions 
infrastructure, it is really doable. R3 core already runs on many 
systems, and the porting was done in a week or two? I think that 
even ARM version is in the works ....

So, as for .NET - you mostly talk Windows. And there is no standalone 
.NET system - it is just layer upon OS, being it Windows, or Linux 
(Mono). And we have R3 for those two OSes awailable. So - why to 
slow-down REBOL, coding it in pure .NET, instead of doing integration 
work?

Getting REBOL to JAVA VM might be more interesting, as there is probably 
many HW platforms JAVA runs on, but REBOL does not. But OTOH - those 
porting efforts are going to be mainly in community hands anyway. 
Only the language interpreter itself stays closed-source, the rest 
is open-sourced. As for me - I prefer getting R3 in a raw state to 
many platforms, instead of slowing it down and porting it to JAVA 
or .NET directly.

But - if someone does it - why not? Anything spreading R3 is welcomed 
...

What is this?

>> now/date

== 26-Jan-2010/0:00

What's the /0:00 for?

... to irritate you :-)

should be imo CCed

Next one: In R2 I could write:
write output decloak data "mykey"

and: data: read %myfile

(actually, you could not, without /binary)

How to do it in R3? First read gives binary. And decloak produces 
something totally different (binary too), even when using /with.

ah wait, sorry, you used decloak.

just to string! the binary? when you read it?

Than decloakd doesn't take it. Only works on binary!

BTW: R3-CC link is hard to find. And do I have an account from either 
R3-Chat or AltMe? Or do I need to get an extra one?

is your data binary? if not, to binary! it. (it should be though, 
the resulf of encloak is binary on R2 as well.)

Robert, you need an extra account. I remember the R3 bug system by 
going to curecode.org and clicking "bug tracker".

Gab: The data was written with: write %filename encloak to-string 
data

data is block!

robert, that should have been write/binary %filename encloak ... 
otherwise you may lose data.

Ok, thanks. But will it solve the R3 problem?

Yes, it does. Thx. Got it working now.

Hmm, from this - http://www.rebol.com/toc.html

I got to this - http://www.rebol.com/priorities.html

So we at least know a bit, what is planned ;-)

Damned, I was not supposed to link to this page ... and this group 
is web public ....

Oh, nice.

nice, surely ... now Carl will kill me :-)

otoh I found it out myself ... just clicking small WIP wiki icons, 
which are publicly available :-)

just wondering when we'll get edit access. typo reports are piling 
up.

From R3 chat it sounds like Graham can edit, but I wonder if he means 
the general pages or just the manual.

Sounds like a lot of work still ahead...for R3 beta

Petr, see it as a smart marketing action. Make it hidden, mighty 
and people will take a look. IMO Apple knows this to perfection. 
Creating a huge hype & buzz upfront new products.

Rebol's future lies in R3.  So, prioritizing the website over r3 
development, and hence blocking all the developers, seems an odd 
choice

+1 (it's an important step, yes. But all people that care about R3 
at the moment are here and know how to use it.)

We should present our own priority list and compare them ...

No doubt everyone's list will be a little different

I wonder if Carl isn't just following a GTD scheme, which basically 
means working on whatever motivates him the most right now, because 
that overall gives the highest level of productivity.

Well, no wonder there's no one else left at RT

and sometimes leaving a problem alone for a while allows a much better 
solution present itself.

to present

R3 is not going to be finished by one person ... the whole point 
was to involve the community.

well, it seems to me the community is plenty involved, but it could 
be a bit better.

Blocking the community by working on the website just seems incompatible 
with that aim

I'm not sure how that blocks the community. Did curecode stop working?

I agree with Graham - in fact it is highly demotivating and frustrating 
situation. Some points of my analysis are ignored, and exactly predictable. 
When website redo and 2.x upgrade was announced, I knew exactly what 
happens and what it means for R3. Not a one week halt, but it is 
stalled for more than one month already.

Why do we always stop at 95% of the subsystem completness?

Normally things stop at 90-95% because they're too difficult

Sorry, I'm playing devil's advocate here. But, really, there is still 
a ton of things to do that doesn't involve Carl. The function reference 
manual is only 30% done and that took me a week to do. So why don't 
a couple of people here continue the work? I won't have time for 
the next few months. Carl has asked for this several times, and this 
is something that really needs to be done.