World: r3wp

It seems they are just using a div tag. I run an adblocker in Chrome 
and did not notice the blackout at all.

I see that too, Henrik. For me, it looks blacked out in all my browsers, 
except Firefox.

it is enough to turn off javascript. Ale - search linked articles 
work too ...

Ale = also ...

Next we will have strikes ....

Get around SOPA  black out on Wikipedia

1. go to blacked out page
2. copy into url bar: 


javascript:$('#mw-sopaOverlay').remove();$('#mw-sopa-blackout').remove();$('body').children().removeAttr('style');

(from a friend of mine that makes DropBox)

{ESC}

Or just hit the "stop" button on the browser in the moment when the 
page is visible, before the blackout appears  (Although this advice 
is kinda late now...)

Still have the blackout here ..and i see some fora are following 
this lead by closing down for the day.

I wish wikipedia actually tracked how often I use wikipedia.  when 
I was a kid, I accessed my book collection (dict, Ency, etc.) often 
every hour.  Now with computers, it is often 5-10 times in an hour.

How reliable or correct do you find wikipedia on a) general topics 
b) specific topics (or more narrow knowledge - don't know how to 
define this category).

I guess it depends on whether you know it's correct? I find it fairly 
reliable with having collections of information that would otherwise 
be hard or time consuming to gather. This is both for general topics 
and very specific topics. If I want to read up on the latest news 
on a developing technology (like Polywell fusion), I go there. Importantly, 
I also use the talk page to see, whether information has been removed 
or corrected for various reasons.

I find it much better these days than a couple of years ago

What Apple released yesterday:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KJxZG2Nv4KA

Bla...bla...bla..
Trying to push a new proprietary document format.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=nl.e539

Wikpedia - is not reliable, rather it is a great place to "start" 
to understand what questions to actually ask.

Good formulation! :)

I think, wikipedia is fine for basic facts, like what is the atomic 
weight of oxygen, or when did that person live, etc. With deeper 
questions, I feel, it become more and more unreliable.

I disagree

Maybe not more and more reliable over time, but more reliable, the 
deeper the question is.

Ladislav, you disagree with which part(s)?

I agree with  Ladislav

With deeper questions, I feel, it become more and more unreliable

 - this is a general statement that is not reliable as far as I can 
 tell. The Wikipedia is surprisingly reliable even when deep knowledge 
 is looked up, as well as it is possible to find even some surprisingly 
 basic facts that are not correct. I find Wikipedia surprisingly accurate 
 and correct, especially taking into account how it is being written. 
 For example, the last Wikipedia article I read contained informations 
 (correct, I have to add) which I did not find in the Stanford encyclopedia...

(the infromations were not even correct and missing from Stanford, 
but they were such that they made the corresponding paragraph in 
the Stanford encyclopedia incorrect, in fact)

I don't remember the last time I came across an incorrect statement 
on wikipedia

Wow .. activism does work ! http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/sopa-pipa-postponed-nice-work-everyone/67622

Yes, for now.

Solar storms may lead to aurora visible from NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6310695/Aurora-to-light-up-New-Zealand-skies

Not getting up at 3am to look though!

Ubuntu HUD - global menu concept ... hmm, like on Amiga, just improved 
by adding search :-) http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939

They've reinvented the command line :)

like on Amiga

 - there are many of these on OSX as well. if there is an API for 
 every single action that could be exposed in this menu, beyond what 
 you already have in the existing menus, that would be quite powerful.

(and form a basis for macros)

Ladislav, you seem to be measuring for positives, not for negatives, 
false negatives, or even false positives.  One of our former AltME 
members here was a Wikipedia "editor".  all he did was fix blatant 
mistakes, sabotaged data, etc.

I would send him errors I found every month.


I would simply argue that the accuracy of the data is the same as 
any academic paper, and a “function” of the number of eyes that notice 
something.

Ladislav, you seem to be measuring for positives, not for negatives, 
false negatives, or even false positives.
- no, I just mentioned one example

...and that example was not just "positive", it made the corresponding 
paragraph in the other encyclopedia incorrect exactly because it 
was supposed to be a complete list of available alternatives

However, I do not want to pretend that I use any measuring methodology; 
neither the statement "With deeper questions, I feel, it become more 
and more unreliable" did, though.

For me the Wikipedia has undoubtedly proven its usefulness in a big 
way.

I think we agree it is "useful".  But, for example, I would never 
take ANY fact offered on Wikipedia and assume it is "true" without 
my own separate confirmation.  Nor would i use Wikipedia + some other 
source "together" to equal truth.  In other words, I would use Wikipedia 
to learn "about" a fact, and then judge a seprate source on its own.

(also, I was not attacking you, or speaking to YOUR past, perhaps 
a better way for me to say what I said before was to modify your 
statement to "The Wikipedia is surprisingly reliable even when deep 
knowledge is looked up.........often.")

I suspect it varies on the domain you are looking into.  Stuff like 
science should be okay.  Where opinions come into it ... there you 
might find disagreement with the published "facts".

But, for example, I would never take ANY fact offered on Wikipedia 
and assume it is 

true" without my own separate confirmation." - maybe there is a difference 
between domains, as Graham pointed out.


For example, I found it funny that Randall Holmes not just put a 
fact into a WP article, but he also wrote a (mathematical) proof 
in it, while some (poor thinker, IMO) marked the fact (which was 
mathematically correctly proven at the place) as doubtful, since 
there was no reference to some published article (LOL).

Nor would i use Wikipedia + some other source 

together" to equal truth." - well, I learned better from my experience. 
I was suggested the Standford encyclopedia as a reliable source on 
the problem I wanted to solve and found out that WP was corrected 
one point I wanted to find.

I meant "WP has corrected" one point which I had problem to believe 
in Stanford.

'In other words, I would use Wikipedia to learn "about" a fact, and 
then judge a seprate source on its own' - well, on the other hand, 
this is usually what you should do with any encyclopedia; find the 
pointers to sources where you can learn more, which is what Wikipedia 
does well enough for me

Both your example you gave of the "poor thinker" and Stanford would 
be examples of  other states like I mentioned as false negatives/positives. 
But these are all still anecdotal of course.  The question is not 
how many successes you can come up with, but how many failures anyone 
can find vs. a control (even “Stanford”).


So we are speaking to “trust” + domain.  For me, my trust is low, 
regardless of domain, with some domains being really poor.

hence John's "I [feel], it become more and more unreliable."

I too [feel] (and have a lot of examples) of it not be releable for 
me.