World: r3wp

funny, I am currently in brazil and there is a gyrocopter producer 
here near sao paulo which I will visit next week.
will try a ride... :-))

btw, does somebody has a advice for getting a helicopter license 
in the USA? 

found many in the net but would appreciate a local advice for the 
best location.

You "really" want to learn to fly a helictoper? It takes a lot of 
study, is time consuming, very hard to get time on a machine, expensive, 
and, THEN what?

Just asking...

like Rebol, somewhat...

Just joking...

Just joking...

of course I really want to get the license. why not?
investing in personal abilities is always a good choice.
but in general you are right, making this license 
without the intention of some commercial usage could be 
seen as wasting time... execpting for me, at least I can 
add this to my fixed wing I made many years ago and what comes
after the THEN? well, the last time I flew is many years 
ago but hey man...it was a original refurbished tiger moth
at one of the coolest location ever.
as you can see I can use it also to brag a little bit ;-)

but ok, this is a little off topic for this channel...

http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=94185&show=summary

I wonder if this is good for learning TCP/IP.

Is this like Simon's Basic?

it seems to be an extension for plain BASIC.

Yeah, TCP extension commands to BASIC:
http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/kb-bob/KB.htm

Quite cute, I think. It could be good for learning TCP/IP, as it's 
very basic. :)

why is it that those Hex error numbers got me all warm and fuzzy 
when I saw them?   :-)

http://www.returninfinity.com/baremetal.html		Quite interesting OS 
Kernel stuff.

Robert - what do you think of L4 microkernels? Written in C, platform 
independent API, BSD, comes from Germany :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family

Qt 4.7 is out. It sports QML, a declarative GUI definition. So far 
JAVA FX was the closest match for declarative VID. But JAVA FX is 
pretty much irrelevant. Qt is much more important otoh (my opinion) 
- now you can look at the examples - VID's no more unique - now even 
monkey can code in Qt, and get kind of cross-platform :-)

http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeexamples.html

return infinity is quite appealing  :-)

OMG !!! 

As of the current version with the full CLI and internal functions, 
the operating system binary is only 16384 bytes. 


A standard "Hello, World!" example compiles to a file of only 31 
bytes.

Don't tell Carl about return infinity, he'll think REBOL is too bloated.

Qt has some really nice ideas in it. Note the importance they place 
on being able to create slick GUIs, but with the note that business 
apps only need a little slickeness around the edges. And the prominence 
of a state machine engine at the core.

I also thought the guis looked a lot like rebol.

Anything we can use?

Was this an open source development or a Nokia team that did this?

It's C++ oriented, but they have some new higher-level stuff. e.g. 
the declarative UI dialect Petr mentioned.

Qt was developed by norwegian company Trolltech starting in 1991, 
and was acquired by Nokia in 2008.

How big is the package? I do remember some talks about using Qt as 
a potential View replacement, but IIRC BrianH expressed, that integrating 
Qt with REBOL would be difficult.

You can look at http://qt.nokia.com/downloadsand choose "Go LGPL". 
A few 100 MB, it seems. But there are many modules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29#Modules
Maybe only a fracton is needed?

*fraction*

Was the thesis that integrating Qt would be more than writing R3gui?

starting in 1991... ok, if we are allowed to develop on the R3 GUI 
for 19 years, we can probably get pretty far :-)

Are Danes better programmers than Norwegians?  :)

Of course! ;P

:-D

I guess the FInns are smarter ... as they just buy up the programmers 
they need :)

L4: Well, it's interesting and done by the university in the City 
I live in. So, no big deal, to get in contact with these guys.

With host-kit I would like to see a baremetal version of R3 :-) That 
would be extremly cool.

I see OS written in assembly as extermly bad decision for any sane 
kind of scaling ....

I still think, that the best base, albeit commercial, is QNX - lot's 
of target embedded platforms covered ... REBOL could co-work-with, 
or replace Photon GUI ... I want View app in my car, then calling 
Cyphre and lamenting about some bug :-)

hm... BareMetal CLI is maybe 16kB, but it eats all CPU from one core 
just waiting for commands.

But they have colors in the console.. something I always wanted to 
have in REBOL (of course under Win as Linux have color support)

the baremetal OS uses a different approach... it launches small tasks 
on one core per process... which is how all dev should be.


all it needs is an api to have two threads to communicate and voila... 
also notice that the apps sit at the same level as the os, so they 
have much more leverage on the HW (with added responsibility)

though its mission is clear... its not the basis for a gui OS... 
you can write one over it I guess.

cool,  Carl and Rebol are mentioned in this interview with Trevor 
Dickinson from A-Eon Technology.... 


he's part of the top 3 amiga people A-Eon would hire in their team 
if they had the funds.   :-)
he also mentions the porting of Rebol to Amiga 4.

mentionned at a bit after 20:00 in.


http://www.amigaz.org/2010/09/12/art-episode-47-a-sunday-with-trevor/

the only other Named ( living ) person is Dave Heynie.

hmm, and the situation with ARM family is becoming better and better 
- Marvell releases new CPU - 200mil triangles = 3D FullHD (two simultaneous 
FullHD streams) ....


http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/marvell-unveils-1-5ghz-triple-core-application-processor-all-cu/


We should get ourselves to ARM, it starts to be powerfull enough 
for even higher-end devices, not just cell-phones :-) And Amiga should 
finally abandon PPC too. If they fear x86 as being a general CPU, 
fearing users using Windows (totally stupid argument btw), they should 
go ARM too :-)

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_40/b4197040487856.htm


HP is giving away a free Android tablet which is also used to control 
the printer you buy to get the "freebie"

HP and Android? I would expect WebOS :-)

This is a pre webos product http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-on-with-hps-photosmart-estation-printer-and-its-detachable-android-tablet-video

http://www.osnews.com/story/23832/HP_Slate_vs_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_or_Why_HP_Bought_Palm_

So far it seems to me, that Samsung Galaxy tab is the only real competition 
to iPad ...

iPad seems to be consumer device ...