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Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3196]
Graham - and that is exactly what I don't like - it makes me headaches 
:-) I am two week before I have to decide, which way to go - IBM 
WebSphere portal, or MS SharePoint portal :-) Guys want to go .NET 
way ... and now eventual third player to the game with own platform 
:-)
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3197]
But there will be more people who will (unknowingly?) be using alternative 
browsers, namely Safari through Macs and the iPhone. Particularly 
iPhone will get a huge amount of marketshare growth, if the numbers 
are right.
Graham
3-Sep-2008
[3198]
what does websphere/shareportal offer?
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3199x2]
try killing a chrome.exe task from the windows task manager. :-)
I can see now that this would make Chrome very resilient to crashes.
Graham
3-Sep-2008
[3201]
Why?  Chrome allows you to kill processes
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3202]
yeah, but it's still neat that you can do it directly from Windows
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3203]
Graham - portals? Have you seen Drupal, Joomla, etc.? First, we need 
WCMS (web content management system). They work the way, that you 
divide your portal site into zones (mostly columns), and you specify 
portlets to run in certain zones, along with z-ordering, and visibility 
based upon user rights, etc. Then you have workflow tools, DMS, and 
integration tools ... e.g. you can have portlet, which is static 
or dynamic html, bus as well e.g. stub (wrapper) for 3rd systems 
as SAP, etc.
Graham
3-Sep-2008
[3204]
shift-ESC brings up the Chrome task manager - wonder if it's using 
part of the windows task manager.
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3205]
Graham, I didn't notice it until now. I used the Windows task manager 
before.
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3206x2]
pekr the same can be said about rebol why to do another language 
since you have java and Microsoft .NET
anyone that knows a little the web knows htat IE is the worst to 
surf ...  it's really slow really secureless and that's why 40  percent 
of the web user around teh world use FireFox or other webbrowsers.
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3208]
I am not saying there should be limited amount of browsers available. 
I am just trying to think consequences it will bring to the table 
.... and FF might get hurt ...
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3209x2]
Pekr  chrome is full open source .... OPEN WIDE SOURCE i will say 
and as google dev team says "Our purpose it to set a step stop on 
the next generation webbrowser. We have been inspired by the other 
and we wish chrome will inspire others (they are free to take absolutly 
what they want from it)
Before google search engine exists the 2 leading search engine were 
Altavista and yahoo!  altvista disapear and yahoo ! survived offering 
more services than just search engine
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3211]
Shadwolf - and? FF is open source too - they could as well submit 
some ideas in there. That does not change the fact, that if they 
stop to sponsor Mozilla foundation in the future, FF might get hurt 
...
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3212x2]
Pekr no because the goal behind chrome is not to do again another 
mozilla/netscape clone ...  their goal  is to say OK we are in 2008 
 web use is completly different than on 90's we have to propose another 
webbrowser design more efficient to the use of the actual web
Pekr things rise things falls ...  and that's so true that microsoft 
ensure a maximum market part by merging its webbrowser into its OS 
 this way like it or not use it or not 100% of windows/vista based 
PC have it
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3214]
I don't think it hurts FF at all. In fact the next version of FF 
will have a much faster javascript engine. The competition between 
these browsers is very healthy.
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3215x7]
that a way for microsft to say like dude keep fighting in the backstreets 
I'm hella no match for you I'm DA BOSS
I like the guys that came with brand new idea or point of view and 
shoot the ant house to see all the ants running around  ^^
Since i have safari opera and firefox on my computer  i can tell 
you the chrome is the most acurate it starts immediatly  you don't 
have those 20 seconds of loading  and loading  a daily motion page 
takes you 1 seconde
I'm sorry but most of the past years effort have been made on the 
incrresse of the haward side bette  ram better cpu better adsl modem 
better bandwidth but how about the damn software ?
FF or opera inherits most of their engines from  the nestcape design 
elaborated on early 90s when the web was mostly some images and lot 
of text
i remember the first version of FF that was bugging all around flash 
player wasn't existing active X controlwas a mess  plugin system 
was almost inexistant .At least we can say for a first shot chrome 
is really advanced so far i didn't get any problems using it
using crhome i feel like my  computer is totaly new ^^
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3222x3]
Shadwolf - another experience, right? What are we talking about here? 
:-) Chrome rendering is based upon WebKit = khtml .... web content 
= standards. The try to provide some supporing features. You talk 
like Google finally will give us, what we need, whereas IE, Mozilla, 
Opera, are all crap :-)
Shadwolf - FF is complete rewrite of Netscape - it inherits nothing 
... maybe just ideas, plus plug-in architecture, which is accpeted 
by others players too, except MS from IE 5.x
Tabs at the top? What a usability nightmare :-(
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3225]
why? It's actually tabs done right.
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3226]
it's not imo... maybe I am just used to FF, but when I look for the 
particular tab, I look close to the actual page top of the text ... 
not some distant top bar ...
Graham
3-Sep-2008
[3227]
same objection
Chris
3-Sep-2008
[3228]
Yep.  Spoilt by Camino tabs.
Henrik
3-Sep-2008
[3229]
I'm not sure it's such a big deal. It eliminates the regular titlebar. 
I had no problems adapting to it.
Chris
3-Sep-2008
[3230]
Also, I dislike angled tabs.  Wonder how difficult it is to skin?
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3231x3]
that's estetical issue ... FF wasn't supporting tabs on its first 
version.
FF memory management is awfull.... 150 Mo for 1 tab  just because 
i saw in the same tab 3  videos ...
same page with chrome -> 32Mo with firefox 72Mo. SHAME you can trash 
it to the can and those lazy un imaginative developers too
Sunanda
3-Sep-2008
[3234]
Chrome doesn't have enough controls over content yet......Open half 
a dozen random windows from commercial sites, and you may have multiple 
Flash ads playing in them all....That'll eat up most of  your cpu 
power just running adverts in the background.
Firefox of course has the NoFlash and AdBlock addons.
Pekr
3-Sep-2008
[3235]
other thing which denerves me a bit is - activity indicator - there 
is no stable bottom bar. And once your page is loading, there is 
message about it popping up and down at the bottom left ....
shadwolf
3-Sep-2008
[3236x8]
i think you really should get your hand on a firefox1.0 and compare 
it with chrome 1.0
well at least  you can track the resource taken by the page you are 
actually browsing wich is impossible in others webbrowser you just 
know that they eat all your memory without having a clue why the 
hell they does so
i Like the  chrome top of the window ... I hate all those browsers 
where more than 30 percent of the screen is taken by bars ...
i like curbes tab that change from those boring rectangular tab
what i want is some keyboard short cuts for navigation  like switching 
frotabs to tabs going next page/prevpage openning a new tab etc...
woops the shortcuts are implemented i just didn't look at them ...
chrome is perfect and yumy
ctrl+1 tab1 ctrl+2  tab2 etc ...
BrianH
3-Sep-2008
[3244x2]
I would prefer that Chrome use the system theme settings for the 
color of its title bar and tabs. I hate blue in my UI (here too).
I won't be able to use this browser regularly until it supports something 
like NoScript, but there are some great ideas here.