World: r3wp

I buy computer related books only very rarely - they are mostly a 
bloat and I often have feeling that you don't get what you expected. 
I am ok with on-line resources most of the time ...

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not a suprice you need books

nice "syntax" of the "language" :-)

I would refer to most of XML (tag based stuff) as insane brainfuck!

It is no more readably or maintainable without proper abstraction 
tools ...

http://www.hakia.com/

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looks nice btw... rebol is found.hehehe..

Mmmmm I over the river...Ill drop Google...

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070518124020691

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2007/05/the_seven_deadl.html

Gabriele;  <sarc> Why does everybody always gang up on Microsoft? 
</sarc>

Not directly a News but interesting: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
(Rebol is not listed).

I can't remember if this has been posted before.

REBOL's stay on Tiobe was very short:
http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=212.0

Cool list.

So we've got competition - does it remind you of View/VID at least 
a bit? :-) https://openjfx.dev.java.net/Getting_Started_With_JavaFX.html
Now even I could code in JAVA, or so it seems :-)

That's sort of neat, I guess, although it's java and therefore is 
crap by default. :-)  I like how you can embed pieces of HTML in 
there.

I wondered about it too. Is it full html engine, or just some simplification? 
It lead me to question, that with rich-text, we could go for rebol 
browser :-)

But it really reminds me of View plus VID - being RT, I would sue 
SUN :-)

I wonder if you can do that in VID. shouldn't be too hard?

but the advantage of javaFX is that the implementation is complete. 
Tabs can exist in the forms you like and you don't have to code that 
from the bottom up, like you do in VID. this is part of the higher-level-than-VID 
I have been talking about.

the first text sampler window already goes way beyond what plain 
VID can do.

I don't understand - how tabs are more complete than those in RebGUI 
for e.g.?

well, then forget text - what's next?

show Gabriele the page. tell him that VID+ is not done until it can 
do what is shown on that page :-)

I just don't understand, what you mean, that it is higher-level-than-VID 
.... if VID, or RebGUI has such style, how is FX more higher level? 
I can't see there any other level of abstraction, or am I missing 
something? I don't want to argue :-) I just want to better understand, 
what might FX provide us with, and what is lacking in View + VID/RebGUI 
.... (I mean other things than missing styles, or styles not being 
complete?)

pekr, the thing is, from what I can see, that for example when using 
tabs, you don't have to think about problems with many tabs, stacked 
tabs or tabs not placed on the top. You just drop it in and JavaFX 
will handle them properly, no matter what you do to them.

I see the code:

model.tabLayout = SCROLL;


and there you have a scrollable tab bar. That should be all you need 
to do.

ah, but that is ONLY problem of style itself, not of the aproach 
taken? Well then, Cyphre added arrows to scroll tabs to his style 
in 1 day ;-)

that is good, now we need that in the default VID+ :-)

it's the same with LIST-VIEW. people use it, because it's full of 
features and you can code pretty powerful stuff in a few lines of 
code. although I don't consider LIST-VIEW to be a higher level thing, 
but a vital and necessary part of VID.

yes, that is OK, as now I understand what you mean. I first thought, 
that you mean there is one level of abstraction upon what we can 
ever achieve with View plus VID, and it sounded strange to me, as 
I think, that if new VID is cute, we can build pretty much feature 
complete UIs ... well, the toughest part is, how to easily integrate 
some html container? We would have to link to some html runtime, 
if there is something like that ... and that would be probably a 
huge effort ...

I'm sorry, if I sounded confusing. :-)

Henrik - call me, when vertical scrolling comes to list-view land 
:-)

you were not confusing, my english knowledge is confusing :-)

haven't needed it yet, so I'm not planning it yet. I'm still only 
implementing features that I need myself. Latest internal version 
can group lines according to a specific data column.

Have you seen a Dabo? Rapid development in Python - http://dabodev.com/
... there are also screencasts ... something like we were talking 
about in regards to video ...

http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/list-view0.0.50.png

no, I haven't. thanks for that.

eh, I am dumb - I thought horizontal scrolling, sorry :-)

look at Dabo screencasts, they have those higher level styles - splitters, 
etc., easy deign ...

I wouldn't mind a form style, definitely. one that would tie directly 
into a block of strings

interesting - http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html
.... how they link various states of applications "AfterInit", "on..." 
etc.

 At OSBC last week I gave a Radar talk on current technology trends. 
 The trend of moving traditional desktop applications to massively 
 networked, Web 2.0 online applications like Google Docs is well-known. 
 The problem is, a web browser is a terribly limited platform for 
 application development, and JavaScript is a less-than-fully-featured 
 language....
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/05/beyond_the_brow.html

maybe someone could step in with REBOL? :-)

https://desktopondemand.com/

This is future (not just) of gaming.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuoOosTdFiY&mode=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI5JmcQv3n4&mode=related&search=

More of LittleBigPlanet: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/littlebigplanet/news.html?sid=6171030