World: r3wp

as are timers :-) but those are essential. Simply put - Carl tries 
to keep R3's sources closed, and as much cross-platform as possible 
- hopefully for RT porting Rebol to new platform will mean "just" 
recompiling Rebol "kernel" source code. However - that source code 
will not be able to run without surrounding devices.

So - R3's kernel is imo just cross-platform library, but nothing 
like OS kernel, where you normally need scheduler, timers, tasks, 
etc - those will be external here (open source), but essential - 
rebol kernel means nothing separately here - it can't run without 
them ...

Anyone watch G4TechTV?


As a GNU/Linux fan, I didn't like the sounds of this particular discussion.

http://www.labwithleo.com/shownotes/episode2/notes

Which leads to

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

and at least one "response"


http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

What the FUD is going on?

yes Vista DRM is extremely Violent... the fact that it cannot differ 
from H/W and software bugs is a big can of worms... imagine you have 
a faulty memory stick and suddenly, your monitor goes fuzzy, you 
have no clue what is going on...


now image that during a computer assisted surgery.... hum... yess... 
in this regard... Linux is starting to look more like a contender 
in strategic markets.

Yeah, but what got me is that hardware vendors are going to have 
to keep specs, secret ot risk a ban from Microsoft.  Open sourcers 
won't get a chance to write drivers.  Bodes not well, it this is 
true.

what got me was that the design prevents universal drivers!  that 
is shitty design.

There is a lot in there, eh?  Bodes not well.  FUD fight!!!

both are FUDing... I abide by the fact that the vast majority of 
computers cannot run vista out of the box in an "entertaining" manner. 
I don't understand why running a desktop needs 1GB of ram when you 
can play a multiplayer shootem up with particles, lens flares about 
10 million more times the polygons, over the network... wigh much 
less.

mygod a destop is a flat raster with other little rasters dangling 
over... 3d just applies these rasters to poly and distorts them... 
so its not like if it where rocket science.

SGI did much more 10 years ago... ;-)

Maxim, MS has a knack for turning anything into rocket science.

hehe

Yeah, I remember walking by an SGI demo with the rubber dog face, 
cool.

and the 3d system browser with devices, files and applications all 
mixed into one slick rolling cube on cubes gui.

I suggested to the demo runner that they coin the phrase cubicon. 
 I don't think they did.

hehe

could have been me showing off the stuff  ;-)

I used to do demo at conventions... event did a few years at siggraph 
for nothing real ... before it was ransacked by apple.

This was in Ottawa, in...nineteen eighty...something

btw, all the good guys at nothing real still work at apple! which 
is quite rare for such takeovers  :-)

have to work on elixir... chatting off.... bye!  :-)

That NZ security researcher seems well-informed. I read a prior, 
smaller version of the article a few weeks ago.

Bad news about Open Office efficiency? - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=480

As far as I know (someone here told me) Open Office loads the whole 
application at start-up, while MS-stuff is more modular.

That leads to a larger footprint for OO as it loads loads of features 
unlikely to be used in any one session.
Modularity is apparently on the way, and will some difference.

it's easy to tell on OSX: it eats about 10-15 times more memory than 
MS Office. If you start it, it takes a lot of time to load, and after 
that, the memory usage is easily 150-200 MB with no documents open.

incredible design flaw

and incredibly slow... it feels like a huge Java application... does 
anyone know if it really is java?

OOo Core build is C++ (CePlusPlus) and UNO IDL.  Complete source 
package is a mere 260 Meg.

Very easy grok.  I'm not going to badmouth anymore.  I use it.  It 
keeps me out of Windo...nope, no badmouthing.

260MB of source!!! wholy crap!

Compressed aource.

doh!!!

Hey, it's a suite.  :)  But...I use it when I really really need 
to send/recieve .doc files.  Not often.

The Graphic Designer here uses Draw for some stuff, but I'm leading 
her to InkScape and the GIMP.  She's a big GIMP fan now.

anyone remember the rebol office suite someone was toying with doing? 
I remember a couple of screenshots a few years back. who did it?

Now that would be cool.  An office suite in 260K of source  :)

I would like it, but it would have to be done right. We'd need to 
make:

- A kick ass text renderer/type setter
- A kick ass spreadsheet cell renderer
- A kick ass drawing program


The rest kicks ass already, and will even more so when R3 comes out. 
When those components would be done, you build the UI around that.

Let me rephrase that: I would not focus on building an office package. 
I would focus strongly on building components suitable for rendering 
a document well on screen.

brian... in a few weeks, you'll be an drunk on elixir ;-)

Looking forward Max.

Henrik;  kick ass drawing...What's wrong with %paint.r  :)

I pretty sure NeoOffice is all Java.  It looks nice, but is sooo 
slow.

I'd like Office 2007's look too, if it weren't a little over-animated 
(the mouseovers last way too long)

Dell has announced it will use Ubuntu: http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html?tag=nefd.lede

test - got 3 messages posted, none of them appeared here. That is 
that most frustrating bug of altme ...

Microsoft takes Silverlight (Flash alternative) beyond Windows, allows 
support for dynamic and scripting languages too:


http://news.com.com/Microsoft+takes+Silverlight+beyond+Windows/2100-1012_3-6180322.html?tag=nefd.top

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/

hmm... it can play MS WMV files... what more?

it's using xml...
<Canvas
   xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/client/2007"
   xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml">
    
  <Ellipse 
     Height="200" Width="200"
     Stroke="Black" StrokeThickness="10" Fill="SlateBlue" />
</Canvas>

this IS the future:
http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6180198.html?tag=ne.video.6180335\

some cool tech MS purchased a while back, which they are starting 
to show off publicly...


I actually played with the hand manipulated stuff myself and its 
amazing... as siggraph, 2 years ago.

it's not compiled... just XML and javascript... I really don't know, 
if I would like to write rich apps in XML... but it looks it nice 
adept for a new Rebol dialect:]

and the main web page is really big piece of s..t... I will update 
my proxy to cound number of MB which I have to download to see simple 
webpage with no effects

but the "hand gestures" technology from the video is cool... just 
don't know where to put all the things I have on my tables:)