World: r3wp

er.. one more.. 

At a high level, Adobe AIR accomplishes this by taking the world-class 
WebKit browser engine (most notably used in Safari), and wrapping 
it alongside Flash and PDF technologies, as a cohesive desktop runtime.

An embeded webkit browser (aka Safari)... when is Rebol doing that?

moving this to Vent

Terry - REBOL3 does that next to Adobe. In that area, there is no 
other competition for us. In fact - Adobe copies old ideas of View.

I downloaded Air few months ago. You would not want to see its dialog 
box - tottally twisted sizes of UI elements. They have to learn not 
to use native Windows elements, yet do it right. VID3 can outshine 
it with VID. Or - Oldes will integrate it, that will be even better 
:-) You code in REBOL, run in Adobe ;-)

I don't have MXML dialect and don't like MXML and don't like Flash 
default components... sorry, but If I want a chackbox. I really don't 
need 168kB of compressed SWF code.

and your example: The server at atom.thruhere.net is taking too long 
to respond.

Never mind..
 version 2.12.0 http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r
new example: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-iconlist

If I would like to use Flash components, I would do it. It's not 
difficult at all. You just have to export all the components into 
SWF file (more than 250kB) which I can import using my import-swf 
keyword in the dialect and that's it... than I could just place imported 
classes. But I don't want to do it. I would rather use my own. Yes... 
it's more difficult in the begining, but the more freedom I have 
when I want to do it how I like it to be.

example above updated with external iconset loader and with another 
new style: Menu

Well, creating a swf with a single checkbox is rather impractical... 
but all the components can be skinned using CSS (also cool).. so 
you can build things like this... 
http://scalenine.com/themes/wmp11/wmp11.html
or this
http://fleksray.org/skins/edding/Edding.html

More flex skins here 

http://www.scalenine.com/

Nice!

I hope VID3 is just the same, just faster :-)

http://www.flauntr.com/effectsstudio/assets/app.jsp

Don't want to spam Oldes site here, but VID3 will never compete with 
this.. ever.

Rebols needs to get their head out of the sand.   Not only can Rebol 
not compete now, the likes of Adobe, Google (as in Gears), Javascript, 
PHP etc etc  are accelerating away faster than the galaxies.

Terry, you are completly wrong here. What is so special about it? 
Simply nothing. Some of that stuff is slow as molasses.

PHP, gee - what does have php in common with all that?

Pekr, what are you showing on that site: app.jsp

This is Petr's head ->  O  
This is Petr's head in san  ->   :::O:::

amacleod - nice app. At least link works here ...

VID3 will never compete with this.. ever.

 <-- well.. you haven't seen VID3. :-) That's all, I'll say for now.

I think Terry should get a sneak peak.  He appears to be, from the 
work he publicly shares with us, one of the most diverse Rebolers 
in the group.  I would think his input would be of value.  That's 
all I will say as well  ;-)

Yes, actually we could include most of the guys here ;-)

I hope it works great.. and I hope the plugin gets fixed properly... 
then I'll mash it in with all the rest.

Mmm... Rebol mash.. yum.

Can't we just all get along and keep Oldes cranking along with his 
examples? : )  You guys are all great.

If I can throw my two cents here. Terry is right to complain, because 
you can feel he cares, it's not destructive criticism. Pekr is saying 
he's a realist, but to me he sounds more like a dreamer (no offense).Flash 
is a Virtual Machine that lives in the browser. Rebol is a VM that 
lives on several OSes. Flash VM is present on 99% of the browsers. 
Rebol VM is not present  on browsers (plugin doesn't count because 
last time I tried it wouldn't install, and last version is more than 
a year old), and it is present on OSes of a small number of creative 
developers and hobbyists. If I had to develop a commercial app for 
the web, Flash and Flex give me extensive documentation, and a whole 
framework. Rebol can't compete with Adobe, and should not. Last week, 
I developed a GUI in Rebol and Rebgui that would have taken me four 
times longer in any other graphical toolkit, and I had a knack at 
it. But this app is for internal use. Rebol is a great language, 
and I would like to see it evolve as a computer language, not as 
a throw it all in kind of gizmo. It should go Open Source, because 
RT doesn't have the means to provide versions for all platforms. 
Where is the rebol for NetBSD? Last version is 2001. If RT hasn't 
the resources, let the developers do it. I want to run rebol on an 
internet tablet. I had wanted to run rebol on a palm (not anymore 
because Palm is deas, sort of). But the Nokia tablet run debian linux. 
There is no reason for the unabailability of rebol. It is just a 
matter of building it and packaging it. Who has the time for this? 
Plenty of people, they're just not at RT, because there people are 
busy with more important things (like developing the product).

flash is on zero browsers until installed...I've set up machines 
at work for guys in the firehouse to use. Every computer there gathers 
so much adware/spyware/viruses that I can never keep up cleaning 
them. I've had to re-install windows so many times and each time 
I have to re-install the latest flash player. I resorted to setting 
up puppy linux and running off a bootable cd..(with the typical complaints 
about it not being windows) Anyway...rebol plug-in is easire to download 
than flash so what's the bigdeal. I install active-x controls all 
the time when I find a site that interests me and needs the control.

Your other complaints are to be addressed with R3. You want to run 
it on a tablet, great, you will be able to port it yourself.

If I could port it myself, then that would mean RT is going open 
soure. Why haven't we heard the news?

Parts of R3 will be open giving the abilty to port

RT will have the main "kernal" closed and its this part that RT will 
develop other parts are left to the community to build

like QNX, same model

very similar

Parts. That's the whole point. That means I won't be able to port 
it on other platforms, because I need the source of the whole thing. 
(I'll be happy to be proven wrong).

in fact Carl supposedly spoke with  the CEO of QNX shorly before 
they made that anousment

As far as I understand it R3 will allow you to port to any platform 
or OS. I'm sure there is an exlanation of how this is to be done.

It's like on linux, compiling kernel modules vs. compiling the kernel 
itself.

To make a distribution, you need to be able to do both.

yeah , they steal his idea ;-)

I think that if your really motivated, RT let you port Rebol on alien 
platforms

The main problem of Rebol is the business model. I've seen RT struggle 
with this since the first versions, I don't have a solution, I don't 
know how you make money with open source, but some people do.

with frameworks conception, you can

but we need an IDE for that purpose

I think RT realize they are not going to make money on hte software 
but on services revolving around the product

or not

Either you can compile from source, or you can't. You don't have 
to merit it by showing how eager you are, or to mark points in other 
ways.

it's not the only point, i'm wondering why have no killer apps

Atlme is that one ? not sure