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An alternative is to learn denotational semantics, or lambda calculi, 
but this is only useful to CS major trying to proof properties of 
a language, it doesn't help build the intuitions of the language. 
But I will not discourage to go that route if you please.

I start writing code in C while talking, and suddenly I'm writin 
Pascal... !!!

Yup!

:-)

Oh man, have you ever done any web development ?

LOL

Should anyone mention that Rebol is very addictive? It may be too 
late for denismx.

: )

As far as I understand, rebol is written in C, incidentally.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................first one is free.

LOL

The reason that University of Uppsula in Sweden teaches Scheme first 
(and Grinnel College as well) is that you don't learn the bad habits 
of C/C++ and you learn the process of abstraction, and the beauty 
of elegance, and purer algorithms.

web su.ks ... just tinkering with css, html, and all that MLs, which 
do give you different results in different interpreters, ehm, browsers 
:-)

R, and you call it "SafeWorlds!"

Once they discover REBOL, they will move to it.

Because C is a good abstraction of current hardware architectues. 
(It is a just bit better than assembly).

I've given up on web dev about 10 years ago. Used to teach it then.

james: LOL

and to I've just been  "reintroduced" to web dev...

Still in constant contact with one of my students of that period. 
He's become quite an expert at web dev . I ask him when I need something 
;-0

heuristics.  If you had taught him REBOL, just think where he would 
be today.  You could ask him anything.

to I've -> to think I've

part of my jog nowadays is get into XML, XSLT and that stuff ... 
we just upgraded SAP, and it generates some docs for us, which are 
ok in IE, not in FF (totally screwed) and on friday I visit IBM to 
see XForms and I will ask those guys, if it makes sense to go that 
route ... it seems like going to hell ... :-)

denismx I really recommend you to read at least the free chapter 
of the CTM Book http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/chapters/0262220695chap1.pdf

I'm addicted to Rebol since a few years back in fact. But never got 
to the point of the newcomer stage in the learning process. One excuse: 
to many distractions elswhere.

no prob.  REBOL is more than 20 years ahead of its time.  If it takes 
you 5 years, you are still way ahead of the crowd.

eFish... that's my plan: to learn just enough to start teaching it. 
Then I'll actually start learning it, in fact ;-)

eFishAnt - I always liked your optimism :-)

If I had time I will translate the examples there to Rebol. Maybe 
you can do that while you learn. I can help you. My first attemp 
was to make the Class Factory from the book. I got it. However Oz 
the language of the book has bit better security than Rebol. But 
any how I was able to do this and in the process I learn a lot of 
good programming techniques.

Pekr, given your level, what is there to learn in XML.  "you" site 
down for 1 hour, read about, furrow your eyebrow, and your done.

Ok, Jaime... will read that chapter.

hmm, maybe I should start thinking working for guys like IBM, and 
infect them from the inside :-) they are technology open-minded ....

Denis, this might be so obviouse that no one mentions it............but 
AltME is written 100% in Rebol, as is our massive online site Qtask.

Reichart - have you ever looked into stuff like transformations? 
If XML was all that easy as you suggest, how is that we don't have 
proper SAX or DOM parser in rebol - those supporting libs are sometimes 
larger than Core itself - I wonder, if it was intention of its creators 
......

Yes I knew altme was 100% Rebol. Don't know about Qtask though.

Qtask  is not 100% in rebol, but it is 100% rebol inspired :-)

Qtask is not 100% Rebol?

well, wife is calling for dinner (EST here). Will check back later. 
Very usefull discussion. Tks for all the help. Very encouraging. 
Lots of reading to do! :-)

Reichart - it uses html, so no?

have a good dinner!

Used HTML, no, it renders "to" HTML.

time to move home too .... 18:30 here, enough of "work"

It also renders JavaScript, and XML, and CSV, and SMS, and Email, 
etc.

But Rebol does the rednering.

yes, I always see html as a "presentation" layer .... one of them 
...

We do too.

An annoying one at that.

Would much rather render to RebGUI for example.

When Rebol.plugin works on all browsers, that would become a reality.

btw - do you know what Carl means by "browser integration" project 
he mentioned ?