World: r3wp

But a virtual terminal pty0 is not what we want --- we need Ethernet 
card instead of pty. And to specify an Ethernet card, LFS instructions 
use "plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0"

pty, pseudo tty (terminal enulator).

Without this "plugin" line, pppd starts to send packets right into 
pty (i.e. to the screen).

I will try specifying "if" there, nevertheless. "man pppd" AFAIR 
says it's a privileged mode library

ppp_if is the kernel interface. It should be a virtual network interface. 
Could you check that it's installed in /system/drivers/net/if/ ?

I will reboot and try. AFAIU it's installed.

There.

If you didn't reboot yet, it's likely that the kernel module hasn't 
been loaded

I rebooted.

I'm not at Syllable as I cannot set up internet there.

Everything else is fully automatic. You shouldn't do anything with 
ppp_if

I am away rebooting.

Hm, the LFS example also uses RP. It's possible you can simply compile 
that on Syllable, but I never heard anyone did that

Ah, there seems to be an rp-pppoe.so plugin that emulates RP:

http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/wiki/PPP

Maybe it isn't in the Syllable package because that needs the Linux 
kernel module and it isn't ported

In that case, ppp_if is just the virtual network interface for PPP

And the next step would be to try to compile RP

rp-pppoe.so plugin does not emulates RP. rp-pppoe.so plugin is *by* 
RP.

Yes...

From the RP site I mentioned: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/files/download/rp-pppoe-3.10.tar.gz
	GPG Signature: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/files/download/rp-pppoe-3.10.tar.gz.sig

Trying to compile.

# The plugin comes from the "ppp" package
# there's no need to install rp-pppoe
plugin rp-pppoe.so
# Replace "eth0" with your network interface name
eth0

It is bundled with ppp package.

That .so file.

/me reboots

I vaguely remember two PPPoE implementations, and it seems you can 
choose between user space RP and a Linux kernel module, where pppd 
seems to have an emulation for the RP library using the kernel module

I don't know about Linux kernel module.

PPP support (CONFIG_PPP), the asynchronous line discipline (CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC), 
the driver for your serial port device and/or the PPP over Ethernet 
(PPPoE) protocol driver (CONGIG_PPPOE) must be compiled into the 
kernel or loaded as kernel modules. Udev doesn't load the ppp_generic 
and pppoe modules automatically. If you compiled them as modules 
they can be loaded by the modules bootscript if they are mentioned 
in /etc/sysconfig/modules file.

I'll be away for a short time to check if we have any notes in our 
Syllable AltME space

Failed to compile rp-pppoe.

What error?

We've always thought we had this PPPoE implementation, and there 
were supposed to be configuration instructions floating around, but 
I can find nothing but confusion about them. I'm starting to wonder 
if we ever had PPPoE. It seems more likely this is just a PPP virtual 
network module, without source

Kaj: A lot of errors. One of them is #error Unknown method to access 
raw Ethernet frames

Kaj Yes it seems so.

I think raw sockets aren't implemented yet in the network stack, 
but some work may have been done on it

I am currently not a specialist in TCP IP/ethernet internals...

Me neither :-/

Someone was rewriting the network stack and implementing IPv6, but 
he never published what he had. It's very frustrating

/me reading au techworld article

Very true: "[A] problem with it is that none of these competing [applications 
and non-integrated subsystems] choices have even matched the quality 
of the integrated systems that we admire."

This matches my large-scale expectations for a desktop environment 
of the future: deep integration at all aspects.

I have never touched Amiga OS though---never saw it.

But REBOL is outstanding.

I'll try to install Sy on a virtualbox...

Reported on a forum.

VirtualBox has always been very bad at running Syllable

VMware and QEmu work much better

I checked Haiku OS site. It seems that they don't have pppoe (info 
from 2010).

Also, it seems that users frequently fall into Vesa mode at Haiku 
OS (info from their FAQ).