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mhinson 15-May-2009 [2530] | is there a neat trick to do this with less verbosity please ? a: first parse {1/2} "/" b: second parse {1/2} "/" |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2531x2] | Oh, wait until we get going on the modularization - then you'll really see things getting removed :) |
set [a b] parse {1/2} "/" | |
mhinson 15-May-2009 [2533x2] | I can send a number up to 28 with only one it or smoke signal. |
it=bit | |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2535] | just don't make rebol require includes in every single app. that's a large part of rebol's appeal. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2536] | yep Max |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2537] | There will be default includes. |
mhinson 15-May-2009 [2538] | hey, what about my 28 to 1 lossless compression... now Paul has gone, someone has to keep the fire burning. :-) |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2539] | But the default mechanism will be an optionnal module |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2540] | Default includes: system/contexts/exports |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2541] | cause frankly shaving off 100kb from rebol.exe... in an attempt to improve it... is like saying that life vests are in the life boats... but the life boats aren't accesible unless you are sinking. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2542] | just kidding |
Pekr 15-May-2009 [2543] | I see no point in modularisation of current R3. It is still small. I just wish that we do plug-ins and interfacing, tasking, in really good way = good for concurrency environments ... |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2544] | there is a point where smaller isn't better. it just gets annoying. |
mhinson 15-May-2009 [2545] | How about an on line compiling service ? one use per month for free. |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2546] | python is a good example of this. the language as a whole got much better when they integrated the datatype manipulations libs within the datatype classes themselves. |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2547] | Pekr, just because it is modular doesn't mean that the modules won't be included. HTTP is handled by a module now. |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2548x2] | in any case, I do think carl does not want rebol to become an include festival. |
so I'm not too worried. | |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2550x2] | Actually, modules are just separated context to my mind, not really an astounding new features |
we used context to have the same behavior in R2 | |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2552] | Carl wants REBOL development to be manageable. Modules make that happen. Just ask Reichart: Qtask is built on modules. |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2553] | astounding for some things yes. |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2554] | Having separated contexts and being able to manage them well is a big deal, for security and for ease of programming. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2555] | but managing t |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2556] | we can now add plugin interfaces to apps, without hackers being able to probe inside the main app, for example. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2557x2] | but managing them well is the job of the programmer, we can do dirty design with modules too, having them now don't prevent us to do trashes |
i mean with the contexts in R2 we can do nice design too | |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2559] | this is a serious flaw in R2... if you want to store encryption keys within an application and want to provide some sort of plugin interface, you are pretty much fucked... people can rip your application appart, and there is nothing you can do about it... a part creating a dialect, which is complicated as hell if you want to provide do-like syntax. |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2560] | Ah, but having modules lets the work of the good programmers be protected from the bad programmers. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2561] | Eh but we have only good programmers here :-) |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2562] | which are stymied because there are bad ones out there ;-D |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2563] | Wrong group to be saying something like that :P |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2564] | hehehe |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2565x2] | ... |
Mhinson don't read that | |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2567] | He's not the only new one - some are a lot more new than that :) |
Henrik 15-May-2009 [2568] | like me. |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2569] | where are they hiding ? |
mhinson 15-May-2009 [2570] | :-) what me? bad? |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2571] | Hiding from the helpful people - not a good idea... |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2572x3] | but y |
You know Brian, you can be a good programmer even without knowing Rebol :-) | |
but i agree, it's an heavy handicap to not knowing Rebol | |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2575] | Yup. And you can have bad moments even if you are a good programmer. That's what this group is for :) |
Steeve 15-May-2009 [2576] | nobody is perfect |
BrianH 15-May-2009 [2577] | I resemble that remark :) |
Pekr 15-May-2009 [2578] | Ladislav put nice additions to DLL interfacing ... this should make wrapping more flexible ... |
Maxim 15-May-2009 [2579] | it would be nice to be able to use the information they contain in the resource parts, basically auto-describing the dll themselves... and use class members... in some way or another. |
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