World: r3wp

What aspects of piracy? I just want to be able to run a world and 
clients behind the wall.

well, I'm OK with AltME. When using AltME, IRC, ICQ and Jabber, AltME 
is usually the one that connects first in a low bandwidth situation. 
But the killer feature for me is persistent chat logs, which has 
the side effect that if I post a problem, I can get response within 
minutes or hours. It's simply convenient to have running.

Colin, so, let me get this clear, you don't see how piracy becomes 
an issue if you don't need the name server?

Guess not. What I want to be able to do is start a world inside the 
firewall and then only have clients inside it connect. The clients 
would need to know how to resolve the world name and IP address thru 
some mechanism that doesnt require going out of the firewall to do 
so or allow the name resolution and server declaration protocols 
be proxied through http. I think that should pass through most corporate 
firewalls.

We agree teh HTTP part is a possible solve (something we are looking 
at).  But the other way around, allowing no name server offered by 
us means instant piracy at the very level where the only market that 
pays would do so.  No?

Hey, all I want is resizable text in the client. And maybe an OS 
X client. Everything else about AltMe has been roses. I haven't even 
seen the issues or bugs mentioned by other folks.

As the team gets older on AltME, we ALL need bigger fonts.  We will 
get to this.

:)

hehe. Yep, that's the issue exactly. I've been blaming the fonts 
and the high resolution of my monitor, but we all know the real truth 
:)

For the record, the three bugs we are building heavy test suites 
for are: 


1. Synch bug.  We are going to move AltME over to the newer version 
of Rebol, this is a big move, with lots of testing, but we are gearing 
up for this.  


2. Dot bug.  We have no idea. That simple.  But we are going to try 
a brute force method that might fix this.


3. Dial Up: Loosing connection for dial up users.  We have some ideas, 
this is just slow testing.  Will eat up several days of a couple 
of programmers.

Reichart, am I still the only person who ever indicated problems 
running multiple worlds and having the world all of a sudden become 
inaccessible?  The only thing I can relate this to on my computer 
is possible the world server getting mixed up with the multiple worlds 
I was hosting from my old win98SE box.  Since I have been only serving 
one world and not the three as before I have not had a reoccurence 
of this problem.

We have had one other compaint, but differnt conditions.

So its a matter of control then. You want all the worlds and clients 
to call home. Thats fair, its your business model but I also thought 
that you mentioned that there would always be a free version of altme 
so I didnt think it mattered anymore if a small community, because 
of infrastructure constraints, prospered within a firewall.

The concept of "free" and the concept of "piracy" live in seperate 
models of the product.  This is the part we are working out.

perhaps a small  limit to the number of users that can connect to 
a world not using your name sever

that  allows test behind forewalls but not enterprise wide ussage 
and the small potatoes skate

Yes, that was considered.  We have a list of about 20 models.  Our 
next AltME update (being tested right now) will start the process 
of creating seperation form the free model.

Cant wait :)

AltME is being worked on, but the big features we are working on 
(as opposed to lots of little ones) will take a while (there is a 
complete rewrite going on).
Reichart Jan-19-05

The postings of these public messages to http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/
make it accessible from the outside. Its great. but as we are only 
posting the last 300 messages, can we have an alternative link that 
posts them in chronological order to make the reading flow easier?

Can anybody help me with running AlMe on Linux?

i can try

It says some library is missing (I'm now on windows, so I don't remeber 
what library it was).

But that library seems to be installed already.

thats bad as the best way is to paste the libname in google. tthen 
usually you can link another lib-version to the missing one, or install 
some compatibility-package. which linux?

the .so.6, .so.7 are important.

yes, it was something .so.6

I've got Suse or Ubuntu

libXaw.so.6 IIRC? ldd altme-dir/altme

/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6 on suse9.0 . something like 
ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7
if that library is there.

Or search for the namein the package-manager or web. on debian i 
did that, it tried to be smart and removed my link. some compat-package 
worked.

yes, it's probably libXaw.so.6

I'm going to try that. Fortunately this group is web public ;)

rebolek, on ubuntu you just need to search for libxaw on the package 
manager :)

Ha, it works! :)

Gabriele: I remember that on Ubuntu package manager says that libXaw.so.6 
is already installed.

I'm now on windows
?? You hurried to run home? :)

IIRC Ubuntu had some other problem too, with a missing printsomething. 
Somebody said upgrading helped.

Volker :) No I just hurried to reboot :) Running AltME on SUSE 10.0 
without problem.

:))

Hm, tried running my demo from competition on Linux REBOL - no fonts, 
feels 2-3x slower than on Win and crashed.

How does it run on wine?

I don't know, I'm linux newbie, I have to install Wine :)

There is a package-manager! :)

I have been having this problem on Ubuntu too. Altme runs fine on 
wine.

Sadly sometimes better. must be because Carl is a winemaker.. :)

i found out i had installed both libXaw.so.6 and libXaw.so.7. I was 
getting this error:  symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6: undefined 
symbol: xawPrintShellWidgetClass

Yes, AFAIK that was somehow deprecated. found a bug-report from another 
app somewhere.

But Kaj or someone said with a newer ubuntu that was gone. dont know 
all this ubuntu-names.

your tip above led me to the solution. i uninstalled libXaw.so.6 
like thus: apt-get remove libXaw6, then i created the following link: 
ln -s /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 and it worked perfectly