World: r3wp

he probably means the recycle error ..

yes, the recycle error. I use only this one world ...

Ah, then the answer to your question is : 100% of our energy is going 
into AltME 2.  It is not worth fixing that error (which is in Rebol 
I should mention), since we will be working with Carl when we wrap 
this up.

when? Wouldn't it be just a hour of work or so, to encap using View 
1.3 SDK?

I completely understand your reasoning,

But, in our universe we:


1. Make change systematically from a giant list of features and bugs. 
 The means multiple people checking in code that is often changed 
several dozen times and overlapped by different people.


2. The once compiled, an array of computers and operating systems 
are cleaned (often reinstalled from ghosted images of hard drives) 
and sent through a complete test suite.  


3. If anything fails…the team has to be taken off what ever they 
are working on at that moment.  Then repeat the test cycle.

This is what we release as Alpha or Beta.  Gamma is a nightmare.


These realities are interleaved with all the different products we 
work on.  It means that before we do a release candidate of anything 
we have to weigh our test-team's schedule, confirm the majority of 
developers are available.  And not just for the release, but everyone 
has to hang around for the next couple of days because after release 
there is a high chance someone will find something.

Wouldn't it be just a hour of work or so
 

No…

thanks for your explanation :-) Did not know your development rules 
are so developed :-)

We have a very low bug rate (we have won awards for it.)


We take it very seriously.  On one side it means things can be a 
pain in the ass (especially for us).  On the other side, what we 
do release is much better.


One thing it does cause though is for everyone to focus and gather 
up all the things they want to change at the same time.  Sort of 
like knowing that you have to put all your stuff on one boat every 
day to set sail.  If you miss the boat you have to wait a day.

I'd like to see a metric that measures the success of a world .. 
for instance, the number of posts per logged on user per unit time.

Hmmm.  Interesting.  So people that get on, post, and get off produce 
a higher number?

Then we could follow that metric to see if the world was fufilling 
the aims of the world

no, perhaps more a ratio of active users to messages then

this world has heaps of inactive users - should prune them out.

Could be that lots of private convos are being carried out .. so 
have to count those as well I guess, but I think the main measure 
should be public messages

Would it not be better to weigh posters vs readers?  Tracking who 
click on stuff?

Could have several metrics I guess then

some BBSs have ways to give users points for answering questions 
...

in terms of societies .. I think this place looks more like a communist 
society than a democratic one.  Need to spice it up a bit more.

Ok, I'm bored ..and admit it.  But a growing society this isn't ...

Agreed.

Would a web front-end (with similar functionality to AltME) increase 
accessibility? Or can the functionality of AltME be subsumed into 
QTask? (which is already web-based and has messaging, calender, to 
do lists, etc)


I've seen first hand how readily people will "try out" something 
online (forum, wiki, members area, etc) but shy away when asked to 
"download this software to get access". I think part of the problem 
stems from most Windows users fear of installing any software that 
is available over the net (they still trust and prefer CDs from "reputable" 
companies).

ashley - plugin :-)

We are woking on Qtask + AltME right now.

Reichart - what is the state of SDK, or was it Coop? IIRC Carl said 
something during/after the DevCon, that "it" will be transferred 
to Safeworlds, whatever "it" means ....

Yup.  We are working on that too.  We will make a formal statement 
about everything soon.  It is actively being worked on.

Be carefull with soons! ;)

Well, this is why I point out "activiley" since it means one or more 
people are working on it right now.

Out of the blue: how can I browse to links published on AltMe, without 
having to type then over? A left clik on the link does not do anything, 
a write click  copy the link, but is not passable into the browser, 
and the link is not selectable...
I'm using Linux Mandriva 10.2 and Firefox.

middle-mouse-button pastes from a different lcipboard. with moz that 
works here (debian)

with others (konq) i use a launcher-script: http://polly.rebol.it/test/test/linux/icewm/app-launcher.r
launches apps with value from clipboard.

left-click launches mozilla here. i do not know how altme choosed 
that. special file, env-var?

Thanks Volker, middle-button works fine! Why could I think about 
that myself :-/

Where I am, left button attempts to launch a browser (and fails -- 
but probably due to my messed up settings). Right button copies link 
to clipboard.

Question to go with my dual boot Q. in 'Hardware' -- can AltME, running 
under respective OSes on a dual boot system share the same data?

Hmmm....I don't know for sure.  I can't think of a problem with that 
actually.

Having a little trouble getting AltME to work in Ubuntu Breezy.  
I'll need to go back and make a note of specifics, but double-clicking 
the icon does nothing (rwe all checked), and running from the terminal 
gives me an error.

I had that error to under Breezy and I believe some one else too 
(check the Linux group). It helped when I upgraded to Dapper

Because AltME is not visible to the googlebots, it's also not visible 
to google ads .. think of the potential income a chat room could 
earn!

No Graham, no!

I use Altme on a share partition, but between 2 Windows install. 
No problem.
Dunno with different OSs.

Altme seem to be taking much longer  to start up recently,  other 
users of  my world are noticing as well. seems to be in the world 
lookup phase

I experience that too

is somthing overloading your servers down there?  getting denial 
of service?

Nope,  not that I can see.

We are working on updates for AltME, and we really want to nail this 
dot bug.


It is hard for us to see, so anything you can tell us about it will 
help.

Your connection type and platform being key.
Mine is T1/Windows MCE


One of the key questions is, when you start up a world, AltME syncs. 
 When the bug happens (which I assume means you see no groups turn 
red), did you see it sync?

Do you see anything odd happen bellow the line that says "Rebol3 
as <name>"?

Does the progress bar (the vertical space to the left of the icons) 
fill with red?

If we can see a pattern, we can nail this.

this may not be relevant, but right now I'm on 56k because my broadband 
is down. the broadband antenna can let me ping probably 0.1% of the 
packets correctly, so I can't do anything, but AltME allowed me to 
connect anyway (amazing I think, when ping hardly works!). but everything 
of course stops right after logging in, e.g. just before syncing 
with the groups being greyed out.


I also get funny errors, such as that the "REBOL3 world doesn't exist", 
when trying to log in.

this is mostly a comment on how AltME performs on an almost dead 
connection :-)

:)

I'm still seeing you connected to Synapse chat though!

not for long :-) I'm about to close down the modem

<<When the bug happens did you see it sync?>>
Very hard to say.

You notice the effects of the bug when a group suddenly disgorges 
many old messages or when looking at the webmirror of the public 
groups.

But that may be much later than the point at which the sync went 
askew.