World: r3wp

Reichart, just wondering with the world of IM clients getting more 
and more cluttered with Google's Chat application.  And with enhancements 
coming to AltME, QTask etc.  Are you able to give us any feedback 
to some of the plans for AltME or other apps with respect to your 
IM future?  Specifically I was wondering if other IM communication 
standards are going to be integrated so we are not an island of private 
chat?  Of course, having the option to not be a private world in 
some situations is a great option.


I see that most IM services today are going to a smart-client (x-internet) 
type application requiring software install.  Maybe Prolific's plan 
(I believe I recall anyway) to provide both a smart-client/web-client 
will be a plus.


With Google generating IM chatter in the computer world, just hope 
you don't miss the boat and can make an impact in the IM world when 
you release your updated product(s).

We are planning to support open standards directly.  Google is supporting 
an open standard, so we will be compatible.

Performance issue with copying links: Set number of messages per 
group to a big number, say 5-10000, go to the View group and copy 
a link. It reacts very slowly before the OK dialog comes up. Click 
OK and it takes a few seconds to disappear.


Now copy some ordinary text by rightclicking on a chat entry, no 
performance problems.

Anton: <Maybe once you screw your sync, it stays screwed ?>

That seems most likely -- unless you happen to be online at the moment 
someone else posts a message to the out-of-sync group. That seems 
to resync it.


One way of telling if some of your groups are out of sync is to compare 
with the mirror at http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/

(only works for [web-public] groups, and only if the archive is not 
suffering from syncing problems).


I can see right now, for example, that I haven't been sent the last 
9 messages in [Tech News]

robert w dumond 	
<[acm-:-ebanccorp-:-com]> to rebolist
	 More options	  7:24 am (2½ hours ago)

Hallo, alls -

   I am not able to connect to the AltME rebol world using the guest

account.  I have tried rebol, rebol2, and rebol3, all to no avail, 
and I

could not find anything on google.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
robert w. dumond

He's here now.

that Gues problems was still NOT adressed! No clear explanation anywhere 
on web of how to get here! I will eventually fix it myself - making 
some how-to-get-on-altme group and making it web visible .... :-)

I start getting "invalid datatype during recycle" messages with Altme. 
Twice during the last two weeks. Is this a known problem???

yes

While I'm at it ... am I the only one where links get distorted in 
display? Klicking works, but long links seem, are displayed wrong 
... they either wrap to the next line (partly overriding the text 
there), or part of the link isn't displayed.

also known bug

Invalid datatype is a bug that seems to affect programs with async 
tcp

oh!? I was suppose to cut the green one?

bad design I guess.  One fault at the power supplier cascaded and 
took out the most of the city.

questionable design ... to propogate bad design

Just wondering if Reichart and the AltME development team noticed 
this.... MSN Web Messenger.
http://webmessenger.msn.com/

Exactly what AltME needs, client and web interface for access when 
away from one of your computers.

I think there is an AltME module called AltEx that does that.... 
but currently only used for things like email gateway.  I think 2.0 
will add a lot more of those features.

Yeah, we need to document everything.  We are working on it.  We 
do currently have someone working on FAQs Help etc.

I'm getting lots of recycle errors with Altme these days ...anyone 
else?

Loads.....Almost unusable some days.

try to click on a group with unchanged contents first

any time table on a new altME? or maybe just one built on the 1.3 
SDK if it's possible?

Soon.

and so on , and so on  ... :^)

soon: join "so" "on"

Reichart - we need new Altme or at least please encap old altme in 
1.3 SDK. I got at least 5 or 6 crashes (invalid datatype during recycle) 
in last week ...

Yup.  Working on it.

Quick fix for AltME - store the last text sent in a buffer so it 
doesn't get lost if Altme discos on you at the time you send it - 
thereby resulting in data loss.

yup, old, and still on the list for the next rev.

silly question - is there a way to increase display font size in 
AltME?

unfortunatly after clicking the big "A"  little "A"  icon  .... decrese 
monitor resolution  is all

How far are we from AltME for OS X? I'm only on this PC for about 
an hour a day, and I'd love to spend some of the other time on AltME.

I guess we'd need the OSX SDK first...

Yup.

I have some clients who would benefit from Altme, if it was possible 
to control which users can be seen by others. ie not just private 
groups, but private users. This is handy for organising sales channel 
partners, where you want them to feel they have a direct line to 
the people in your office, (but can't see the other sales partners), 
and for staff they can maintain & respond to all channel partners 
requests from one simple tool

This was asked for a couple of times in the past.  Currently AltME 
does not have a way to do this.  It is on the list though.

Of course, if you want to make changes, you can build your own AltMe 
clone, as this 'list' of future AltMefeatures are likely vapourware?

Wow, did someone forget to change the monkey diapers in the peanut 
gallery?
You and Graham sure seem ornery.

Reichart, ever since Altme came out, you've been speaking of the 
"list".. not sure how many years so far.  What was the last update, 
scrolling?  If you don't want to update Altme, that's your perogative, 
but the "soon" and "it's on the list" vapourware speak only bears 
on your reputation.  I know.. I do the same thing :)

So if you want to get things done, you positively have to understand 
at any given point in time what is the most important thing to get 
done right now and if you're not doing it, you're not making progress 
at the fastest possible rate.
 -- Joel on Software


I'm guessing you're a 'switched on' kind of guy.. so..  .. Altme 
simply isn't one of your priorities.

Top of my list.. pick me up one of these..   http://indyskate.com/kickpopmike2.gif

I'm not really interested in debating with you, and other than this 
last statement on the topic I won't.  I'm only responding because 
there are a lot of new people here who might not be clear on the 
facts.


Vapourware is "New software that has been announced or marketed but 
has not been produced." We have been produced, people use our software, 
and it sells.  


Nor do we market or claim any of the new features people ask about. 
 People ask, and we tell them whether it is on the list, or if we 
are going to add it to the list.  We don't commit ourselves to a 
date.


You might not like these facts, but your accusations are inflammatory 
and baseless.  

The facts:


AltME came out as Beta, and we systematically brought it past version 
1.  We met our needs and goal.  If you would like something updated, 
I will give you the bank account number to transfer funds to, we 
can set a rate, and you can have any update you like.


We have never said no to any idea for AltME, we discuss them, and 
log people's ideas so that when we make changes, the ones most asked 
for are reflected (this group here on Rebol3 is not our only source 
of input).


If you do not like the rate with which we make changes, or the reason 
we make changes, then this is going to be a painful environment for 
you to remain in.


Otherwise I will state again, we are active on the development of 
an update to AltME, and we have no set date.   


If you would like to ask a constructive question I will always do 
my best to give a clear answer.  If you simply want to needle and 
dig at us, then I can no longer engage you.

You guys have done a great job with AltME. And it's free for us here! 
I can't think of any reason to complain. Quite the contrary: Thank 
you!
(If I needed something more, I should do it myself.)

despite its quirks, AltME works wonderfully and is a relaxing, non-intrusive 
way of instant messaging. being restricted to mailing lists or webforums 
would have made communications a whole lot slower.

Reichart - no such reaction was needed imo :-) Terry imo did not 
want to be strictly inflamatory. But guys, let's realise one other 
thing - once someone is trying to point out something, we imediatelly 
give the answer - if you need more, do it yourself, you are free 
to do so ... BUT! That is very incorrect marketing answer ...

I am not trying to defend Terry here, just trying to put things into 
other perspective ...

I also received email from one earlier reboller, that rebol's image 
is hurt also because of how do we aproach development (and the person 
in question meant product which has impact - Rebol itself, altme) 
... ppl could not be simply sure what exactly is going to happen 
and when.....

So - Terry just could use a bit less inflamatory language, but the 
core of his message remains .... some of you will have quick answer 
- open-source :-) But we know Carl opened Desktop, noone took it 
to improve it ...

we are running in circles of small adoption, open-source etc. topics, 
and how to improve current situation :-)