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[!AltME] Discussion about AltME
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DideC 24-Mar-2005 [467] | (1) per user rights (read/write/manage on groups) (2) proxy settings that works |
Sunanda 24-Mar-2005 [468] | Thanks for asking :-) [1] Fix the resync bug so I don't to use the dot & guest tricks [2] Don't throw away what I've typed when I press enter just because you need to reconnect [3] Much, much faster search [4] multi-world search -- should search all the worlds I specify, not just the current one [5] Ability to opt out (and back in) to a Public world [6] Don't delete messages from my copy of a world just because the master has been restored from a backup [7] Ability to restrict Guests in various ways (eg can only post to certain groups / can only see other groups) |
Henrik 24-Mar-2005 [469] | [1] Grouping of calendar events so you can filter select which type or with whom, specific calendar events are shared with, for display. [2] Weekview in the calendar to fit more events pr. day [3] Events from calendar formatted as a chronological TODO or activity list [4] Export the calendar as HTML (it's a real problem if you have many events per day and can only see a small amount of them) [5] Dynamic width of the user/group list to the left. Many group titles are chopped off. [6] Filter search in the Users and Groups list [7] Bigger/adjustable text area size in checklist entries, so it would be more suitable to store makedoc2 formatted documents in them (instant document repository!) [8] Export checklists in makedoc2 format for integration in other makedoc2 docs [9] Checklists as a column view. It would mean for Checklists: Spreadsheets that Checklists are in the left column and Spreadsheets are in the right column. You can select other checklists immediately without having to go back to the top and select a new one. [10] Generally resizable windows everywhere. Small text areas are annoying! :-) |
Vincent 24-Mar-2005 [470] | (1) Allowing translation (external language file with program strings) (2) Ability to mark all messages as read (3) Font size settings (4) Users rights (limited guest account would be a good step) |
Colin 24-Mar-2005 [471] | [1] Proxies that work |
Anton 24-Mar-2005 [472] | (1) Mark read position ("I've read up to here."). Sometimes I also like to quickly scan a group which may have a really long discussion in it, but I don't want it to be automatically marked as read, because I'm actually doing something else more important. (2) Save selected messages. Some messages contain real gems worth saving and refining. |
Louis 24-Mar-2005 [473] | The ability to copy and paste just part of a post. |
Ammon 25-Mar-2005 [474] | Select the text, hit Ctrl+C |
Louis 25-Mar-2005 [475] | Thanks, Ammon! I didn't know that could be done. Still, I would like to be able to do it using only the mouse. |
Ammon 25-Mar-2005 [476] | I agree and I suggested such in my post above... "I'd personally really prefer a context menu" |
Luisc 25-Mar-2005 [477x2] | I don't think that restricting guest would be a good thing, i got in because of this community and the fact that i can get help from any of the gurus here ( yes it is nice to know who you are talking to). But some people need reassurance if they have a problem ( rebol /core /view /AltME etc. ) that someone will be able to help |
What i propose is to have private worlds ( for special projects maybe ) =) | |
Brock 25-Mar-2005 [479x2] | The intention of restricting guest account is along the lines of adding more restrictions on users. For example, now, anyone can delete/rename/create groups. It would be better to have this limited to to either the creator of the group or another level of world masters. |
Essetially, only allowing guests to read and post to groups. | |
Luisc 25-Mar-2005 [481] | I totally agree. |
Cyphre 25-Mar-2005 [482] | 1) FAST Message scroll-list with 'streaming' so I can browse/search in all messages in a group on the disk without need to setup the buffer in preferences and loose the performace and memory. (Get rid of the "Message cannot be shown. See Settings panel to allow older messages (Limit)." requester) |
Pekr 25-Mar-2005 [483] | Cyphre - they would have to use your grid then :-) |
Luisc 25-Mar-2005 [484] | export messages --> save --> file name : [ default world name ] |
sqlab 26-Mar-2005 [485] | Bookmarks |
[unknown: 9] 26-Mar-2005 [486] | Bookmarks.......please give an example. |
Graham 26-Mar-2005 [487] | perhaps to bookmark a particular message ? |
Gregg 26-Mar-2005 [488] | What Sunanda said: [2] Don't throw away what I've typed when I press enter just because you need to reconnect. Bookmarks. Let me tag messages/locations that are important and I want to be able to find again, no matter how old. |
[unknown: 9] 27-Mar-2005 [489] | Hmmm. |
yeksoon 27-Mar-2005 [490] | 1. good search capability 2. persistent threads - eg. Links groups should always be seen and not 'scroll off' |
sqlab 28-Mar-2005 [491] | regarding Bookmarks Maybe a way to put the marked messages in a special group "Bookmarks". If I click on a selected message in this group the original group will be opened similar to the Search window. |
Anton 28-Mar-2005 [492x2] | Links groups should be a different style of view (different as checklists are different). An editable list of links. |
(...perhaps. Maybe it's better to try to keep them as a regular group, but just expand the flexibility of regular groups...) | |
RebolJohn 28-Mar-2005 [494] | Feature Req: 'Clear All'. If I am away (say two days) from altme.. I come back /login only to find all groups highlighted with messages since my logoff. Sometimes, I want to know what happened since I left.. however other times I just want to start clean. So, I think that it would be nice to have a button or a pref that allows those highlighted groups to be cleared upon logging in. This way, I can be assured that I am looking at new messages only.. not messages from 47 hours ago. John. |
Colin 28-Mar-2005 [495] | If you want to clear up (un)RED condition, cant you just click on the group and then click out? It doesnt take very long at all. Am I missing something? |
Graham 28-Mar-2005 [496] | Yeah.. if you do a new install on a new pc .. you have to click hundreds of times to clear the reds. Computers are made to reduce work, so should offer an mass deredding. |
RebolJohn 28-Mar-2005 [497] | Exactly. Today, I opened up altme and had to click on every group. It took me about 6 minutes. Yes.. I can do this everytime, but I like how Graham put it.. "computers are made to reduce work..". So, I think this would be a good feature. Thanks for all the feedback people. :-) |
[unknown: 9] 29-Mar-2005 [498] | G, that is a diff prob. We plan to solve that by allow you to store what you have read on the server. |
Tomc 29-Mar-2005 [499] | 0) multiple fallback mechanisms for getting/staying connected. 1) absolute control of what is actualy removed from local machine... ever. 2) better support for using a single account from several machines. 3) better support for using several worlds from one computer. 4) finer control of what posts you are exposed to. (groups and users and users in groups) 5) filesharing 6) api,locks, so we can muck with the filesets. 7) calendar,just fix it up. hour/day/week views, sorting,repeated,various alerts ... 8) adjustable font sizes 9) search should return hits (the text) from further back than your message buffer limit. 10) OSX support & recycle bug |
DideC 29-Mar-2005 [500x2] | For deREDing groups : just add a button in the top right near Search, Setup... |
1) allow Altme to try to connect to the world even if the safeworld server is unreachable (with the cached IP address) 2) see 1) 3) see 1) ... :-) | |
Colin 29-Mar-2005 [502] | RebolJohn - 6 mins? I switched on a PC that I don't connect very often and cleared them all in 2 mins of clicking. My problem is when you clear the RED, but dont have time to read them all, you forget that they are really Unread and dont go back to read them. |
RebolJohn 29-Mar-2005 [503x2] | Thats cool.. I am just suggesting a possible feature for the new altme. The main point of the feature is that it would be a button / option that you press or select. If you don't want them cleared.. don't push it. |
I personally like the button idea.. | |
[unknown: 9] 29-Mar-2005 [505x2] | I think of communication software a little differently (in general), so I will share this. Read states (like the Red we are talking about) are a very interesting issue. Most computer software does a very poor job of replicating empirical or visceral conversations. Email for example has a method of describing the "direction" you are speaking. TO: Bob, CC: Carry. Where the TO: indicates you are speaking directly to Bob, and that Carry is standing somewhere to the left or right of you. BCC is someone hiding behind you. Email could have an interface where you first pick the people in the "room." And then use something like a 2D interface to move the listeners around a symbolic version of you. This would be both silly, time consuming, and somewhat confusing, but you get the point. What you have read and what you have not read though has a similar analogy. There are thousands of sub states and markers people use to sort things they have read, will read, need to read again, need to respond to, etc. In Box, Out Box, Papers upside down, putting papers you need to sign under your car keys on the floor in front of the door leading to the car, etc. I have one friend who re-wrote some open source email program to have some huge number of states and then some simple filters. It works VERY WELL, if you know his system. He never forgets anything. So the current model AltME has (right now) is a very simple interface. Tantimount to "Have I ever seen this before." We are playing with some other models in Qtask, which may get adopted into AltME. I'm working on a system I call Venn Chat. Some features include: Have I read this before? (like AltME) Mark this: Follow up (add to a list of messages you want to think about more) Note (All should read this when they come into the group) All Must Read (converts it into an AltME-like alert) Convert to a task (and keep the context of the chat in place, this is opens up a whole other area) Branch (something like forum threading) Re-file (move from one group to another) Re-post (copy to another group, at the same time, similar to branch). Trigger (tell me when someone has finally read this). Status (tell me who has read this so far). Attach (files, links, etc) |
Then there is the whole voting thing like Slashdot. Allowing people to mark stuff important, NOT important, Humour, etc. Which then brings up the whole statistical nature of "your value" as a person. So for example, almost everyone in a religion group is marking entries as "interesting" or "important," but you are marking it "Humour." The system can assume that you do not carry the "common" vote and value your vote accordingly. But as this example demonstrates, it would need to be both at the global and local level (group, project, world, etc.) Some people ONLY comment when something really is important, the system would note this. So "Bob" for example only notes code samples that are really good examples of Rebol. As a result, you could create a filer to just see "Bob's Picks." Or thresholds based on certain people. You could also block people that fall below a certain number. And then you wold never need to read my babblings. | |
Guest 29-Mar-2005 [507] | 1. A switch to turn off notification about new messages. On XP, the minimized window's icon blinks for every new message, which can become a little bit annoying. 2. A switch to 'subscribe' only selected groups - in a sense of "Only mark group with new messages if subscribed". Otherwise, get message silently but don't mark group red for having unread messages. 3. A "newer than new" feature: Whilst AltME is online and one is working in another app, inform (in a popup window or alike) when one returns to it: "New messages in the following groups:" which can easily be clicked away if none of the groups are of special interest. |
Tomc 29-Mar-2005 [508] | guest that blinking is controlled in windows... |
RebolJohn 29-Mar-2005 [509x3] | Reichart, I like your ideas. I would guess that one of the goals should be to pick a 'realm of inclusiveness' (I don't know what else to call it). i.e. If AltMe is suppose to be fashioned as a message-logger then these 'new messages' should be flagged until read. However, if AltMe is suppose to be fashioned as a meeting-place then maybe 'new messages' should only be flagged after you log in. Now, don't get me wrong here.. I am not saying that messages shouldn't show up at all, I am stating that their container wouldn't be flagged (red). |
A real-world example of this is.. someone going to a party. The party is in full-swing and the newcomer would venture from group-discussion to group-discussion. i.e. Now that I am at the party, I know there is repeated 'hot discussions' going on with that group over there (altMe).. while the group in the corner (mysql) isn't talking.. they are just eating their chips and sitting quietly. And to parallel this.. when I join AltMe for the day.. I would not be flagged of old-conversations that happened while I was logged off.. I would only be flagged of conversations that are happening since I logged on. Now, that doesn't keep me from going to those other groups and seeing the messages that have been posted while I was logged off, it just keeps me in touch with the party. | |
Better yet.. How about flagging in two colors. Light Red for unread messages.. Dark Red for unread messages that have happened since I logged in. WOW! | |
Guest 29-Mar-2005 [512] | Tomc, thanks! Now, if I had kown this before ... Guess I'll never get really used to Windows. |
Ammon 29-Mar-2005 [513] | You can also turn off the window activation in AltME, you know how, right? |
james_nak 29-Mar-2005 [514] | 1. Better notification to user of a message. "Slide up window?" Reichart, you know this is my favorite. 2. Calendar - Ability to add more events. Alarms for events 3. File sharing 4. Programmable sounds for people/groups. 5. "Take back last entry" |
Luis 29-Mar-2005 [515] | Checklist and Calendar icons turning red for changes in that objects |
[unknown: 9] 29-Mar-2005 [516] | James...yes. Working on that tech, talked about it with Carl just the other day. We are attempting to make a SysTray app right now. |
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