World: r3wp

A hidden legacy filesystem hierarchy with a user-friendly one overlaid 
on top. And the sensible one to use depends on what you want to do, 
but command line tools (like REBOL) can quite easily access both, 
if you know what you're doing.

Public posts in the REBOL3 AltME world have just topped 125,000.....
   http://www.rebol.org/aga-index.r

.....Add in non [web public] posts and the world is twice as large.


Carl replaced the original REBOL AltME world because it had grown 
too large. And that was with just 80,000 posts in total. We may be 
seeing an application of Moor's Law here :)

...Or Moor's laziness? :)

I hope AltME will support Unicode soon. I have a REBOL Chinese group, 
And I would like to move it here.

Altme is not developped anymore

i fear

Well.. Since Reb2 don't have Unicode it would be really hard to do 
Unicode support into AltME .. After version 3, who knows.. Though 
I have to say that I have no idea of the AltME status. Earlier I 
though it belongs to some 3rd party company that just Used Rebol 
as a devtool.

AltME is sort of "replaced" by R3 chat on R3, in that Carl usually 
doesn't visit this place very often and prefers R3 chat. The practical 
implementation of R3 chat is different and the outcome makes it serve 
a different purpose than AltME.

On IOS, it was the dreaded recycle bug .. here it is "internet busy 
..."  :(

Some info that I hope clarifies...

1. AltME is from Safeworlds, independent of REBOL Tech.
2. AltME is still being developed, but is waiting for R3.
3. AltME may be updated before R3. So, be sure to report bugs.

4. IOS was traded to Safeworlds. But, it may still be possible to 
get a trial release for users.

5. I use AltME quite often, but I must avoid lengthy conversations 
in order to get work done.

6. R3 Chat is a backend prototype for AltME 3.0 -- which in final 
form will be more like IOS (allow user-built reblets.)

So, still under development, glad to hear that.

So in Altme 3.0, the community can build plugins

Yes, a blend of AltME and IOS.

the most bad bug of Altme is the occassional registration of World 
names. Last happened last week. It happens every 2-3 months ...

I don't understand... can you explain the problem?

yes, I run two worlds - Xidys, Vertuzo. It happened at least 5 times 
in last two years, that I lost world registration with no reason. 
Docs state, that we loose world registration, if world is not available 
to Safeworlds servers for 10 days. But it was not the case.....

There has to be some bug somewhere ...

Did you pay for your worlds Pekr?

Graham - no.

I am trying to track down a nasty bug, not a business model

So it appears to be only an issue with unpaid worlds?

me too ...

Pekr, are you using AltServe or AtlME?

AltME only ...

So, you use AltME for both server and client.

But I can guarantee, that the worlds are used. I was online the same 
day, and in few hours, worlds were not accessible, and altme.com/check 
stated world names being available. That should not happen.

Note that AltME when used as a server must be able to ping port 5500 
at regular intervals. That's how Safeworlds keeps your world registered.

If the Safeworlds server does not see the ping, then it cannot reset 
the timer on your world.

yes, I run 50 mikrotik routers, I know what I am doing :-) But - 
you say I need to open port 5500 INTO my network?

There are only two ways this can happen (that I can think of):
1. you have 5500 blocked (outgoing)

2. you are using AltServe (not AltME) and it does not ping (because 
it is commerical)

I just don't know how to track it down. The only thing I can follow 
is docs, which state, that altme.com tries for 10 days ... but it 
is not the case.

Try this in REBOL:
close open tcp://www.safeworlds.com:5500

everything enablet (outgouing)

I can grep the log... 1 min.

It has to be open - I am right now on my own network.

It ran OK ... my public IP is - 193.85.151.2

In one case, I also notice bug with backport connection from altme.com. 
I mean - when trying to start 2 servers on one machine. It registered 
second world on the same port .... but I don't remember it exactly 
...

maybe all you need Pekr is a script that pings safeworlds on port 
5500

Graham - no, that requirement is not there, and should not be there.

Wow i'ts cheating :-)

Xidys shows no server pings.

I think, that altme.com stops pinging, or at some point mistakenly 
decides, that my worlds are not online for more than 10 days, and 
frees the names. That is the part I would try to look for the bug 
...

Pekr doesn't want solutions .. he wants a perrmanent fix

Graham - if I would want a solution, I would pay few bucks for permanent 
registration and be done with it ... = noone would complain about 
apparent bug.

Pekr, your client is pinging safeworlds .. they're not pinging you!

Carl - what do you mean by "ping"?

There is no such requirement in the docs!

Yes, there is.

don't tell me you can't ping 193.85.151.2

Pekr, does wireshark show any contact with the homeworld ..??