World: r3wp

Will be done in R3. R3 Chat system is said to use similarities to 
AltME system, just more robust. It just needs GUI client ...

The biggest failing with Altme is the lack of a distributed server.

That will also be an issue with the R3 chat.

If we don't make sure we have a robust backend .. it doesn't matter 
what the front looks like, we will hit issues.

The other issue is the need to maintain a continuous tcp connection 
to the altme server.  That is a major source of issues.

not sure how Robust R3 chat is. After all - it is just one of possible 
architectures. It is true that I doubt it is much advanced. It is 
good for Chat, even threading, moving threads here or there, ranking, 
etc., but we are imo not following latest developments of distributed 
apps. Some few years ago I read something about Cademlia etc. protocols, 
but not sure what it is all about. OTOH - look at Altme - it is running 
for years. And if its back-end would be DB based, it would be enough 
for a long time probably.

I saw a similar issue with playsite when I used to play games online. 
 Kept on being booted due to crappy internet connections or

Maybe we can shift to using Amazon's SDB .. they allow you to store 
millions of records for no charge

Messages can be sent using the SQS once someone has committed a new 
message to the store.

This gives us a backend, search, threading, no centralised server 
requirements, no particular person needing to host a server.

You can build a front end using a browser client or a View client.

And you can use https if you wish too.

I thought about using an IRC server but again this is a single point 
of failure.

Too ambitious??

Unable to connect for the last hour ...

I haven't been on consistently for a while, so I haven't noticed 
outages, but nothing is too ambitious for you Graham. :-)

ambition, and the ability to fufill are two different matters :(

The only issue that I can see is that there is apparently no anonymous 
access to SDB.

which means that again I will need another daemon to act as the proxy 
to the SDB.

Still losing messages :(

disconnected this time ... here and R3beta

Looks like Altme is not usable today ...

Do you think it would make sense to implement few AltME enhancements, 
which would not alter its messaging layer, but could help to make 
our lifes easier? Some few months ago I contacted Carl, and he was 
willing to post particular code sections for related areas. I read 
also some 2005 list, and picking from (apparently easy to fix) bugs/enhancements:

- DeRED - mark everything read
- fix URL display bug
- fix proxy
- fix msg loss during reconnect .... (might be more complex)


I just don't know, if it is good to bother Carl with those issues 
right now, when R3 is heading towards beta and we need to concentrate 
on it ...

But - at least above 3 suggestions, might make better usability impression 
for many ...

it would be a good idea if he gets time to publish that part of the 
code.

fix msg loss ... just put the msg into clipboard before posting

For moderartion purposes is it possible/safe to delete messages from 
a group in an Altme World?

Moderators currently have no ability to do that.
 

REBOL.org can blank posts on its archive, if requested with a good 
reason:
http://www.rebol.org/aga-groups-index.r?world=r3wp

Google Wave - is Altme in the browser.

These guys have been working on this for two years! WIth google resources? 
I guess ity takes a long time to make these thypes of apps when you 
are wedging technology not really ment to do it.

I'm not that impressed...(18 min. in to preseentation anyway...

lots of bugs...makes me feel better about the bugs I find in my app

Altissimo is Altme2. G Wave is just vapor as anything else, unless 
released. Google just knows, how to hype the stuff ...

Google Wave has been released

http://lifehacker.com/5371491/give-out-and-receive-your-google-wave-invitations-here

So - another hype from overhyped company happens :-)

= if you don't use iPone and Chrome as your browser, you are not 
modern and trendy :-)

We need to create VID3 equivalent, call it SideWave, and we have 
killer app for REBOL :-)

by equivalent I mean - wrap Google Wave, not to create competing 
system ...

https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/

I basically want access to spelly :)

I'm using Google Wave at the moment (in Safari not Chrome) and it 
offers a *bit* more than AltME in a browser.

It should offer much more ....

At least according to 1h+ video I saw :-)

*bit* as in "The moon is a *bit* further away from us than the local 
supermarket".

The interesting thing is, that it has to come from overhyped Google. 
Their marketing is done by their name, not by how good their ideas 
are :-)

So - do we move to Wave now, as apparently the rest of the world 
sucks? :-)

Moving to chat ...

or to advocacy :-)

I just tried security essentials on one pc and it claimed to find 
a Trojan in one of the AltMe chats.
Anyone with the same experience?

Altme.com once again lost my world registrations :-( Our worlds are 
running locally without outage, and also our router has 234d uptime. 
I really wonder, when/how it can happen, but as it already happened 
in the past, this really start to be depressing ...