World: r3wp

Thanks, that changes the picture

Whoops, I had the wrong group selected. Sorry for the reply in Announce 
- please consider it posted here.

I downloaded the archive before the retraction and it does have very 
recent source files in it ...

Robert - thanks a lot, I really enjoyed run-tests.r3 demo, watching 
how GUI moves around in an automated fashion :-)

Thx. This testing part is absolut fundamental for us. We are constantly 
extending it and will add reports so we see what tests are there, 
what has been coverered etc.

Robert and company. Thank you so much.

Thanks for the report, Anton, correcting the INCLUDE doc.

Oldes, thank you for uploading those.

you are welcome... I just added rectangle-pack script and included 
ImageMagick dependencies which would be needed in some other scripts 
which I use.

Thanks for your diligence on including us in INCLUDE  Ladislav.  
I use it everyday.

I am glad it is of use.

World Programming Language: is that a REBOL clone?

Yes, you can say that. Or a REBOL replacement for some applications, 
where REBOL isn't suited.

Will this language be an open or closed source project?

Geomol, this is your language?

I think not, because - who would come-up with yet another REBOL clone? 
:-)

On the other side - Geomol is fan of various astronomy images, so 
it might be him :-)

Yes, it's mine.

Will this language be an open or closed source project?


Question has been noted. I'll collect questions and make a QA here 
in AltME around release time. The countdown might answer questions 
and/or inspire people for new questions.

Hehe :-) Very little is said, but questions come to mind for sure 
- what is the main target? Is it closer to R2, R3, RED, Topaz architecture?

And of course, very typical question - what was the main montivation, 
aka - why yet another language? :-)

Hmm, so World can be runtime compiled :-)

Geomol, if don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? 
Or fork a project from Red?

Well, OTOH it is cool to have some options. RED and Topaz are nice 
projects, we will see, what World is all about. Maybe those projects 
can be somehow complementary, who knows ...

It's good to have more options, especially if they have different 
approaches. Topaz is completely different and usable. Red will have 
compile-to-native, fast, run on ARM / Pic etc., R2 is the only one 
stable-enough to use in production in general.

World is written in C. The Red bootstrap is being written in REBOL. 
This may explain why Geomol didn't fork Red.


Boron is written in C but is an evaluator like REBOL rather than 
a JIT compiler.

By the way, Boron is pretty stable though some people find its strict 
left-to-right evaluation frustrating.

I think that if World is a real project, we should make a !World 
group here

I've contacted an adm about that. Shouldn't it be "World" without 
'!', as those are for projects written in REBOL?

Pekr: yep, thats right.

PeterWoo: the important thing is what is the main goal of this project.

Maybe. Anyway - it is a bit confusing name, as we know Altme Worlds. 
Maybe a World language woul be better, but - dunno ...

Only Geomol knows the main goal of his project though I woud guess 
it is not disimilar to that of Boron, Red and Topaz.

Interesting anyway, because Boron is a more classical REBOL (architecture 
wise, and well, just my wild guess), Topaz is very different aproach, 
and RED takes different aproach too. But maybe it was in a making 
even before Topaz and Red were announced, who knows. And maybe it 
is just a hobby project :-)

I don't think that World is a hobby project, it is like Boron, Red 
and Topaz which I believe are being developed to meet the authors 
want for a tool that meets their specific needs.

And was REBOL itself so different?

We don't know anything about a World yet, or do we? :-)

PeterWoo: REBOL is the key to all others. The red pill. The root 
of all :)
Pekr: Nope, we don't at all. We need to wait for Geomol.

Hopefully Geomol will tease us each day with a bits of a new info. 
Today we learned there is a compilation :-)

compiled into bytecodes (a la java)  or machine languages ?

I don't know - the only info is here - http://world-lang.org/, maybe 
it tells more to someone more competent than me :-)

No, there is just too little informations currently

It says it uses a VM though, so it must be some bytecode language

Even so, it should not be imposssible to replace the inner bytecode 
with straigth machine language. I'm pretty sure Geomol deeply anticipated 
both use cases. 
Why ? Because I would have likewise :)

Steeve - and where's your REBOL clone? Nowadays it seems all REBOL 
gurus are coming with one. Should I expect Ladislav and Cyphre enter 
the game? :-)

Cyphre has his JIT thing, but am not sure how far he has come with 
it.

The World language now has its own discussion group.

If you are reading this on the web archive, the posts continue here:
    http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp871x0

I expect it to be a bit like Lua.

Nick, check the World group.

Thank you :)  (altme hadn't quite finished loading messages on a 
new machine - blush :)

#Good idea, Sunanda :)

Thanks -- it was Reichart's idea that we have a visual marker for 
these languages. Thanls to their developers for agreeing to the name 
change.