World: r3wp

For the record, the three bugs we are building heavy test suites 
for are: 


1. Synch bug.  We are going to move AltME over to the newer version 
of Rebol, this is a big move, with lots of testing, but we are gearing 
up for this.  


2. Dot bug.  We have no idea. That simple.  But we are going to try 
a brute force method that might fix this.


3. Dial Up: Loosing connection for dial up users.  We have some ideas, 
this is just slow testing.  Will eat up several days of a couple 
of programmers.

Reichart, am I still the only person who ever indicated problems 
running multiple worlds and having the world all of a sudden become 
inaccessible?  The only thing I can relate this to on my computer 
is possible the world server getting mixed up with the multiple worlds 
I was hosting from my old win98SE box.  Since I have been only serving 
one world and not the three as before I have not had a reoccurence 
of this problem.

We have had one other compaint, but differnt conditions.

So its a matter of control then. You want all the worlds and clients 
to call home. Thats fair, its your business model but I also thought 
that you mentioned that there would always be a free version of altme 
so I didnt think it mattered anymore if a small community, because 
of infrastructure constraints, prospered within a firewall.

The concept of "free" and the concept of "piracy" live in seperate 
models of the product.  This is the part we are working out.

perhaps a small  limit to the number of users that can connect to 
a world not using your name sever

that  allows test behind forewalls but not enterprise wide ussage 
and the small potatoes skate

Yes, that was considered.  We have a list of about 20 models.  Our 
next AltME update (being tested right now) will start the process 
of creating seperation form the free model.

Cant wait :)

AltME is being worked on, but the big features we are working on 
(as opposed to lots of little ones) will take a while (there is a 
complete rewrite going on).
Reichart Jan-19-05

The postings of these public messages to http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/
make it accessible from the outside. Its great. but as we are only 
posting the last 300 messages, can we have an alternative link that 
posts them in chronological order to make the reading flow easier?

Can anybody help me with running AlMe on Linux?

i can try

It says some library is missing (I'm now on windows, so I don't remeber 
what library it was).

But that library seems to be installed already.

thats bad as the best way is to paste the libname in google. tthen 
usually you can link another lib-version to the missing one, or install 
some compatibility-package. which linux?

the .so.6, .so.7 are important.

yes, it was something .so.6

I've got Suse or Ubuntu

libXaw.so.6 IIRC? ldd altme-dir/altme

/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6 on suse9.0 . something like 
ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7
if that library is there.

Or search for the namein the package-manager or web. on debian i 
did that, it tried to be smart and removed my link. some compat-package 
worked.

yes, it's probably libXaw.so.6

I'm going to try that. Fortunately this group is web public ;)

rebolek, on ubuntu you just need to search for libxaw on the package 
manager :)

Ha, it works! :)

Gabriele: I remember that on Ubuntu package manager says that libXaw.so.6 
is already installed.

I'm now on windows
?? You hurried to run home? :)

IIRC Ubuntu had some other problem too, with a missing printsomething. 
Somebody said upgrading helped.

Volker :) No I just hurried to reboot :) Running AltME on SUSE 10.0 
without problem.

:))

Hm, tried running my demo from competition on Linux REBOL - no fonts, 
feels 2-3x slower than on Win and crashed.

How does it run on wine?

I don't know, I'm linux newbie, I have to install Wine :)

There is a package-manager! :)

I have been having this problem on Ubuntu too. Altme runs fine on 
wine.

Sadly sometimes better. must be because Carl is a winemaker.. :)

i found out i had installed both libXaw.so.6 and libXaw.so.7. I was 
getting this error:  symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6: undefined 
symbol: xawPrintShellWidgetClass

Yes, AFAIK that was somehow deprecated. found a bug-report from another 
app somewhere.

But Kaj or someone said with a newer ubuntu that was gone. dont know 
all this ubuntu-names.

your tip above led me to the solution. i uninstalled libXaw.so.6 
like thus: apt-get remove libXaw6, then i created the following link: 
ln -s /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 and it worked perfectly

hope that helps Rebolek

Good. But on my system (debian) something sometimes removed that 
link and i had to do it again. which is why i used the package.method. 
it somehow detected the link-name did not match the library-version.

very possible, i install and uninstall stuff all the time so there 
is no telling what package takes the link out

seemed to be some system-cleanup/check on boot or something.

Rebolek: try mandriva as I have it installed and works fine

Thanks to everybody. I've installed SimplyMEPIS 3.4.3, symlinked 
libXaw.so.6 and it works fine. As result, I hope, I'll be booting 
Windows less and less frequently :)

It looks to me like new people who join this world are not automatically 
made members of private groups. In fact, they probably won't even 
know what private groups exist,

But, equally, the members of private groups have no easy way of telling 
who the recent world members are, so it is often hard to review them 
for potential membership.
Is there a way to resolve that?

Feature is on the list (annoys me too).

I have invited everyone else.