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Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???

 [1/28] from: apwing:zonnet:nl at: 4-Jan-2005 20:56


Hi all, many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest. Having seen all those problems with the list and taking into account the fact that for the second time the AltMe world had to be switched I tend to think both are unstable and not thrustworthy. Personally I think that a forum would be the best way in between. It is more open than AltMe to the world, which is much better. (Better to put REBOL in a showcase, than hide it in AltMe). Since RebolTalk is up and running, why not choose it as THE means of communication? Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Arie van Wingerden

 [2/28] from: premshree:pillai:gm:ail at: 5-Jan-2005 2:11


Umm, yes, there is a problem with the ML; posts don't seem to appear at times (I've faced this problem in the past). However, abandoning the ML would be bad, *really* bad. MLs are kinda cool. Well, there are those who'd say that email for communication is passe -- and I agree with that -- but somehow MLs are nice. :) On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:56:00 +0100, Arie van Wingerden <[apwing--zonnet--nl]> wrote:
> Hi all, > many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest.
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [3/28] from: petr::krenzelok::trz::cz at: 4-Jan-2005 23:46


Arie van Wingerden napsal(a):
>Hi all, >many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest.
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
>Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, > Arie van Wingerden
Hi, i somehow missed that. Your site looks really nice. Is that typical php forum, or done in rebol? Just curious ... -pekr-

 [4/28] from: volker::nitsch::gmail::com at: 5-Jan-2005 5:19


On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:56:00 +0100, Arie van Wingerden <[apwing--zonnet--nl]> wrote:
> Hi all, > > many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest. > > Having seen all those problems with the list and taking into account the fact that for the second time the AltMe world had to be switched I tend to think both are unstable and not thrustworthy. >
It was the hd which was not trustworthy.
> Personally I think that a forum would be the best way in between. It is more open than AltMe to the world, which is much better. (Better to put REBOL in a showcase, than hide it in AltMe). >
And the hd goes and the messages are gone. In altme i have all messages in both old worlds on my hd.
> Since RebolTalk is up and running, why not choose it as THE means of communication? > > Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, > Arie van Wingerden > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. >
-- -Volker Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection. But that usually will create another problem. David Wheeler

 [5/28] from: carlos::lorenz::gmail::com at: 5-Jan-2005 7:12


Arie, I agree with you. A FORUM is the best approach to show REBOL to the rest of the world. Unfortunatelly because AltME is written in REBOL I guess RT thinks this is the best way of showing their magnificent language to the world they are mistaken. AltME is a hidden tool, not stable, not so fast to communicate as a ML and not user friendly as a FORUM when it comes to keep info available to newbies. EMAIL is not dead as they say in here. They killed the REBOL List when then left it behind to use AltME. That=B4s what happened. Cheers On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:56:00 +0100, Arie van Wingerden <[apwing--zonnet--nl]> wrote:
> Hi all, > many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest.
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-: Carlos Lorenz *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:

 [6/28] from: carl::rebol::net at: 5-Jan-2005 10:27


This is a very good question, and I'm glad you ask it. I have also been thinking a lot about it over the last year. First, in defense of AltME: it DID NOT crash. The Linux hard disk crashed. AltME is an extremely stable and trustworthy product, even as a 1.0 product. AltME is great for PRIVATE discussions, but what we want to see (and what new users want to read) are PUBLIC discussions. Please read my public statement about this topic on http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/blog.r?view=0089 Then, let's figure out a solution and make it happen! Maybe its REBOL Talk, maybe not. I don't know. This is a community. We need to decide this together. -Carl

 [7/28] from: premshree:pillai:gm:ail at: 6-Jan-2005 0:09


Hi, all, Mail lists _are_ a thing of the past, agreed -- but somehow I think it's much better than having a forum. My reasons follow: * Forums are good when you have a small group of people. Sure, the number of REBOL users may not be huge, but REBOL is new, we need to grow it by way of active discussions, marketing, etc. * The Rebol-talk forum has way too many discussion topics. This is particularly bad for a person who is relatively new to Rebol. He might end up posting all his queries at the 'newbie' discussion, when he probably could've posted it to a more focussed forum. * Another problem with having such web-based forums is that it's a major pain to keep track of all the posts in the forum (they don't have RSS/Atom feeds that one could subscribe to) -- on a mailing list, I can see the subject, then decide whether I want to see the whole post, and stuff like that. * The forum -- Invision Power Board -- doesn't have threaded discussion. Now, this is _bad_. It's a pain to quote everytime I want to post a reply. In conclusion I would say that forums are rather immature as a means of discussion for something like REBOL -- something that needs to grow, and has the potential to. Yes, there have been issues with the ml, but surely *something* can be done about it? I am all for the mailing list. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, carl-rebol.net <carl-rebol.net> wrote:
> This is a very good question, and I'm glad you ask it. I have also been thinking a lot about it over the last year. > First, in defense of AltME: it DID NOT crash. The Linux hard disk crashed. AltME is an extremely stable and trustworthy product, even as a 1.0 product.
<<quoted lines omitted: 5>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [8/28] from: carlos:lorenz:gma:il at: 5-Jan-2005 17:00


Carl and others First I'd like to apologize for saying in my last message to the list that AltME is not stable. It seems now things were cleared with the news that the Linux HD crashed and not AltME. Second I would like to say that its very important that though we are a community as you said that RT take a position about the use of a Forum since ML is a quite dead thing due to all problems you mentioned. So why not consider the use of Vanilla? It has a pretty nice navigation. It is written in REBOL and it can be "googled" On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, [carl--rebol--net] <[carl--rebol--net]> wrote:
> This is a very good question, and I'm glad you ask it. I have also been thinking a lot about it over the last year. > First, in defense of AltME: it DID NOT crash. The Linux hard disk crashed. AltME is an extremely stable and trustworthy product, even as a 1.0 product.
<<quoted lines omitted: 5>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-: Carlos Lorenz *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:

 [9/28] from: premshree:pillai::gmail at: 6-Jan-2005 1:16


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:00:05 -0200, Carlos Lorenz <carlos.lorenz-gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl and others > First I'd like to apologize for saying in my last message to the list
<<quoted lines omitted: 5>>
> mentioned. > So why not consider the use of Vanilla? It has a pretty nice
The ML has serious problems -- my reply to Carlos didn't seem to have made it. Anyway... Vanilla for discussion doesn't sound bad. Here are my concerns, though (I don't know much about the Vanilla core, do excuse me if anything sounds too trivial): o Does Vanilla generate static HTML files? If not, it could be a problem. o From what I see, it doesn't have a threaded comment system. Bad. o Lacks RSS/Atom feeds (correct me if I'm wrong) Moreover, I don't know how the weblog format would suit a discussion which would eventually have many users. Any examples of relatively large projects using this format?
> navigation. It is written in REBOL and it can be "googled" > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, carl-rebol.net <carl-rebol.net> wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 21>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [10/28] from: hallvard:ystad-oops:as:no at: 5-Jan-2005 21:12


... and then there are the google forums (don't remeber what they're called). They function both as a ML and as a forum, i.e. one can post both on the website and via email. The very little use some of us made of this one week ago was very successful, in my opinion. (But then again, the ML would be out of RT's hands...) HY Dixit Carlos Lorenz (20.00 05.01.2005):
>Carl and others >First I'd like to apologize for saying in my last message to the list
<<quoted lines omitted: 16>>
>> >> Then, let's figure out a solution and make it happen! Maybe its REBOL Talk, maybe not. I don't know. This is a community. We need to decide this together.

 [11/28] from: andreas:bolka:gmx at: 5-Jan-2005 21:24


Tuesday, January 4, 2005, 8:56:00 PM, Arie wrote:
> Since RebolTalk is up and running, why not choose it as THE means of > communication?
the general problem i have with a forum, is that keeping up with what goes on in a forum is an awfully tedius task. my email client supports me well in keeping up with loads of mailing lists whereas i only manage to keep up with not even a handful of web-based forums. a forum without RSS support is - to me, personally - an utterly useless forum. even with rss, the ability to quickly scan new forum content is hindered by typical forum constraints and usage patterns. search facilities are limited, compared to what i can to with my local mbox. generally, external access to the data is rather limited. when considering the exposure to the "public web", a forum certainly wins over AltMe, but so does a mail list with a public archive (like the excellent ml archive at rebol.net). entry barriers to a web-based forum are typically much higher compared to a mailing list. on a ml i only have to find out how to subscribe, then i have standard email. there is no such standard with all the various forum software out there (although it most likely always boils down to a textarea :) and heck, i even say that while i'm co-author of a web-based application (Vanilla, a wiki) that is often mistaken to be a "forum" of some kind ;) well, public wikis have their own characteristics, but i'm not an enemy of the html-based web or textareas all together ;) finally, a suggestion: get the problems with the mailing list fixed or even better: completely migrate the mailing list to some professional hoster somewhere (e.g. at an ISP of reboltech's choice). -- Best regards, Andreas

 [12/28] from: andreas:bolka:gmx at: 5-Jan-2005 21:27


Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 8:00:05 PM, Carlos wrote:
> Second I would like to say that its very important that though we > are a community as you said that RT take a position about the use of > a Forum since ML is a quite dead thing due to all problems you > mentioned. > So why not consider the use of Vanilla? It has a pretty nice > navigation. It is written in REBOL and it can be "googled"
As I see Vanilla (and, well, I'm one of Vanilla's authors :) it targets a quite different use. Whereas some kind of knowledge repository regarding REBOL is certainly a good use of Vanilla (see http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/) I think supporting a "streaming" public discussion mode as usually found on mailing lists would require quite a lot of custom work. -- Best regards, Andreas

 [13/28] from: ammon:johnson:gm:ail at: 5-Jan-2005 14:27


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:24:04 +0100, Andreas Bolka <andreas.bolka-gmx.net> wrote:
> Tuesday, January 4, 2005, 8:56:00 PM, Arie wrote: > > Since RebolTalk is up and running, why not choose it as THE means of
<<quoted lines omitted: 29>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Enjoy!! ~~~ Ammon ~~~ ~ Sui Generis ~ ~~~~ ;~> ~~~~

 [14/28] from: ammon:johnson::gmail at: 5-Jan-2005 14:28


Don't you hate it when you click the wrong button? ;-) Enjoy!! ~~Ammon ;~> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:27:38 -0700, Ammon Johnson <[ammon--johnson--gmail--com]> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:24:04 +0100, Andreas Bolka <[andreas--bolka--gmx--net]> wrote: > >
<<quoted lines omitted: 50>>
> ~ Sui Generis ~ > ~~~~ ;~> ~~~~
-- Enjoy!! ~~~ Ammon ~~~ ~ Sui Generis ~ ~~~~ ;~> ~~~~

 [15/28] from: premshree:pillai:gm:ail at: 6-Jan-2005 3:29


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:24:04 +0100, Andreas Bolka <andreas.bolka-gmx.net> wrote:
> Tuesday, January 4, 2005, 8:56:00 PM, Arie wrote: > > Since RebolTalk is up and running, why not choose it as THE means of
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> useless forum. even with rss, the ability to quickly scan new forum > content is hindered by typical forum constraints and usage patterns.
Heh, you just echoed _exactly_ my concerns (http://mail.rebol.net/cgi-bin/mail-list.r?msg=37658). :) So two vetoes against forums. :)
> search facilities are limited, compared to what i can to with my local > mbox. generally, external access to the data is rather limited.
<<quoted lines omitted: 13>>
> even better: completely migrate the mailing list to some professional > hoster somewhere (e.g. at an ISP of reboltech's choice).
I'm all for the ML, and all that is needed (I know it may not be a small problem, but it is not that major an issue) is a fix.
> -- > Best regards, > Andreas > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. >
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [16/28] from: pwawood::mango::net::my at: 6-Jan-2005 7:34


Andreas I doubt that Carl will read your reply as you send it on the mailing list. I will copy it to the AltME Rebol3 World. Regards Peter

 [17/28] from: SunandaDH:aol at: 6-Jan-2005 7:00

Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk ins...


Carl:
> First, in defense of AltME: it DID NOT crash. The Linux hard disk crashed. > AltME is an extremely stable and trustworthy product, even as a 1.0 product.
That's a bit like saying "it wasn't the car that broke down, it was the engine that failed." I'm not too concerned about which part of the system failed. I'm not even worried that a part of the system failed. Systems are fallible. But it's amazing, in the 21st Century, that a single point of failure led to data loss. It could have been a brilliant marketing exercise in the power of X-internet products: "Within 12 hours of restoring from a 6-week old backup, all users where completely resynchronised and up-to-date. Nothing was lost because the system is not dependant on a centralised server for data recovery". It seems likely that Altme either does not have such a capability, or the way it was deployed on REBOL.net made it impossible to use such a feature. Either way, the important question to ask is: "What needs to happen to ensure there will never need to be a REBOL4 world following a system failure?" Until that question has been answered, using Altme seems a dangerous thing to do for any communication of any value. From the blog:
>. In fact, because AltME messages are copied to your local disk, > nothing important was lost.
What about access to those messages for someone discovering REBOL for the first time tomorrow? And I do think it is important when, trying to recall an earlier thread, I now have to search up to three separate Altme worlds. That's fragmentation, not integration. Sunanda.

 [18/28] from: berniegs:prodigy at: 9-Jan-2005 17:18

Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???


Hi, I may have missed something in an earlier part of this discussion, but I just don't understand why so many are down on mailing lists. How can something be a "thing of the past" without there being a "thing of the present/future" to replace it, in terms of function, reliability and stability? I guess I need to be enlightened about what is lacking in the present ML that makes it so "yesterday". As far as I can see, this list, along with several others that I subscribe to, works quite well. I'm getting the posts quickly and reliably right in my inbox, and I get to reply just as quickly and conveniently. I'm becoming well informed and I'm staying up to date on Rebol, thanks to this ML and the enthusiastic and knowledgeable folks who participate here. The only problem I've had so far was when I first enrolled in this ML, and that wasn't due to a malfunction in the ML technology itself, but to a human error of omission that directed me to a defunct site for this list, an error that I believe has since been corrected. To me, it looks like a case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", at least it doesn't seem to be as broke as some of the alternative that I've seen discussed. What am I missing here? Why do I want or need something else? Bernie Schneider The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Premshree Pillai" <[premshree--pillai--gmail--com]> To: <[rebolist--rebol--com]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???
> Hi, all, > > Mail lists _are_ a thing of the past, agreed -- but somehow I
think
> it's much better than having a forum. My reasons follow: > > * Forums are good when you have a small group of people. Sure,
the
> number of REBOL users may not be huge, but REBOL is new, we
need to
> grow it by way of active discussions, marketing, etc. > * The Rebol-talk forum has way too many discussion topics.
This is
> particularly bad for a person who is relatively new to Rebol.
He might
> end up posting all his queries at the 'newbie' discussion,
when he
> probably could've posted it to a more focussed forum. > * Another problem with having such web-based forums is that
it's a
> major pain to keep track of all the posts in the forum (they
don't
> have RSS/Atom feeds that one could subscribe to) -- on a
mailing list,
> I can see the subject, then decide whether I want to see the
whole
> post, and stuff like that. > * The forum -- Invision Power Board -- doesn't have threaded > discussion. Now, this is _bad_. It's a pain to quote everytime
I want
> to post a reply. > > In conclusion I would say that forums are rather immature as a
means
> of discussion for something like REBOL -- something that needs
to
> grow, and has the potential to. > > Yes, there have been issues with the ml, but surely
*something* can be
> done about it? > > I am all for the mailing list. > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, [carl--rebol--net]
<[carl--rebol--net]> wrote:
> > This is a very good question, and I'm glad you ask it. I
have also been thinking a lot about it over the last year.
> > > > First, in defense of AltME: it DID NOT crash. The Linux
hard disk crashed. AltME is an extremely stable and trustworthy product, even as a 1.0 product.
> > > > AltME is great for PRIVATE discussions, but what we want to
see (and what new users want to read) are PUBLIC discussions.
> > > > Please read my public statement about this topic on
http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/blog.r?view=0089
> > > > Then, let's figure out a solution and make it happen! Maybe
its REBOL Talk, maybe not. I don't know. This is a community. We need to decide this together.

 [19/28] from: premshree:pillai:gmai:l at: 10-Jan-2005 3:55


On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:18:46 -0500, Bernie Schneider <berniegs-prodigy.net> wrote:
> Hi, > > I may have missed something in an earlier part of this > discussion, but I just don't understand why so many are down on > mailing lists. How can something be a "thing of the past"
Folks are testing out GooglGroups now. So those who like the ml format can get mails/reply/post/etc like a normal ml; those who prefer a web interface can do so thro' the website. The group's at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Rebol
> without there being a "thing of the present/future" to replace > it, in terms of function, reliability and stability? > > I guess I need to be enlightened about what is lacking in the > present ML that makes it so "yesterday". As far as I can see, > this list, along with several others that I subscribe to, works > quite well. I'm getting the posts quickly and reliably right in
How can you be sure you're getting _all_ the posts to your inbox? There are times when I don't get the mails delivered to my inbox even though they've made it to thye DB (http://mail.rebol.net/cgi-bin/mail-list.r).
> my inbox, and I get to reply just as quickly and conveniently. > I'm becoming well informed and I'm staying up to date on Rebol,
<<quoted lines omitted: 107>>
> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [20/28] from: carl:cybercraft at: 9-Jan-2005 23:51


On Sunday, 9-January-2005 at 17:18:46 Bernie Schneider wrote,
>To me, it looks like a case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix >it", at least it doesn't seem to be as broke as some of the >alternative that I've seen discussed. What am I missing here? >Why do I want or need something else?
I agree with you that mailing-lists can work, (or have done in the past, at least), but this one has been very problematical of late. An annoyingly high percentage of mails haven't been arriving, with some getting them and others not, while others are taking over a day sometime to arrive. So, they're not looking for an alternative to mailing-lists - just a mailing-list that works. -- Carl Read.

 [21/28] from: tim-johnsons:web at: 9-Jan-2005 14:21


* Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> [050109 14:01]:
> On Sunday, 9-January-2005 at 17:18:46 Bernie Schneider wrote, > >To me, it looks like a case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> getting them and others not, while others are taking over a day > sometime to arrive.
Regardless of what medium is being used, if it doesn't work, it's "broke". I prefer mailing lists myself. However, I'm using an email system that is well suited to mailing lists. If (for instance) I were using Netscape or Outlook Express, I might feel differently. tim -- Tim Johnson <tim-johnsons-web.com> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com

 [22/28] from: SunandaDH::aol::com at: 9-Jan-2005 18:23

Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk ins...


Bernie,
> >To me, it looks like a case of "If it ain't broke, don't fix > >it"
Well, it is broke -- some of our inboxes are not seeing about 15% of all messages sent to the list. It's been broke since about November. The big mystery is why the people running the list can't / won't fix it. That may be due to lack of technical skills, or they may be using the situation to make a political point. Either way, there is no evidence that the ML cannot be fixed; nor that any of the proposed replacements will be any better. Sunanda.

 [23/28] from: berniegs:prodigy at: 10-Jan-2005 12:49

Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???


Hi, Well, I think I understand now. I guess that many of you are actually experiencing problems, while everything appears rosy to me. After checking the web site vs. my inbox, I think that the only message I haven't received is the very latest one, which will probably arrive shortly. I've been getting good results with the Google Groups thing also. Thanks to everyone who responded with such good explanations. Bernie Schneider The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Premshree Pillai" <[premshree--pillai--gmail--com]> To: <[rebolist--rebol--com]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???

 [24/28] from: premshree:pillai:gm:ail at: 13-Jan-2005 3:46


On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:46:42 +0100, Petr Krenzelok <petr.krenzelok-trz.cz> wrote:
> Arie van Wingerden napsal(a): > >Hi all,
<<quoted lines omitted: 15>>
> i somehow missed that. Your site looks really nice. Is that typical php > forum, or done in rebol? Just curious ...
The Reboltalk forum is a PHP-based forum
> -pekr- > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request > at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. >
-- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

 [25/28] from: apwing:zonnet:nl at: 15-Jan-2005 11:50


Hi Petr RebolTalk is not *my* forum, I just have good feelings about it's capabilities and potential! I think you may need to contact RebolTalk user "DefiantPc", but then you must have signed in ;-) Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Arie van Wingerden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Krenzelok" <petr.krenzelok-trz.cz> To: <rebolist-rebol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead???
> Arie van Wingerden napsal(a): > > >Hi all, > > > >many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe
world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest.
> > > >Having seen all those problems with the list and taking into account the
fact that for the second time the AltMe world had to be switched I tend to think both are unstable and not thrustworthy.
> > > >Personally I think that a forum would be the best way in between. It is
more open than AltMe to the world, which is much better. (Better to put REBOL in a showcase, than hide it in AltMe).

 [26/28] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 7-Jan-2005 12:25


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, <carl-rebol.net> wrote:
> Then, let's figure out a solution and make it happen! Maybe its REBOL > Talk, maybe not. I don't know. This is a community. We need to decide > this together.
Hi, I vote for setting up a news-server at RT. Than we all can use our newsreaders. A lot of mail clients have newsreaders included, so this perfectly fits the workpattern. After having this thing running we can go to create an official newsgroup: comp.lang.rebol Robert

 [27/28] from: mail:defiantpc at: 12-Jan-2005 15:30


Thanks for the compliment the forum is php (Invision power board to be exact). It has been skinned for aesthetics. We installed the board last year hoping that one day it would be a thriving community like www.webhostingtalk.com Although the majority of the rebol programmers are more comfortable with a mailing list type atmosphere we will keep the board up for those who would like to utilize it. Who knows maybe some day it will be a valuable resource! Thanks again, -Mj. ----- Original Message ----- From: Petr Krenzelok To: [rebolist--rebol--com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Why not forget about AltMe and Rebolist and use RebolTalk instead??? Arie van Wingerden napsal(a):
>Hi all, >many hours ago I posted a message in the ML about availability of AltMe world rebol3, because it's still not available to me with my own userid or as guest.
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>Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, > Arie van Wingerden
Hi, i somehow missed that. Your site looks really nice. Is that typical php forum, or done in rebol? Just curious ... -pekr- -- To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

 [28/28] from: premshree:pillai:gm:ail at: 6-Jan-2005 0:44


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:00:05 -0200, Carlos Lorenz <[carlos--lorenz--gmail--com]> wrote:
> Carl and others > First I'd like to apologize for saying in my last message to the list
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> mentioned. > So why not consider the use of Vanilla? It has a pretty nice
Vanilla for discussion doesn't sound bad. Here are my concerns, though (I don't know much about the Vanilla core, do excuse me if anything sounds too trivial): o Does Vanilla generate static HTML files? If not, it could be a problem. o From what I see, it doesn't have a threaded comment system. Bad. o Lacks RSS/Atom feeds (correct me if I'm wrong) Moreover, I don't know how the weblog format would suit a discussion which would eventually have many users. Any examples of relatively large projects using this format?
> navigation. It is written in REBOL and it can be "googled" > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0800, [carl--rebol--net] <[carl--rebol--net]> wrote:
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