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[ALLY] View-Pro 1.1 available for more platforms

 [1/26] from: holger:rebol at: 18-Apr-2001 11:37


View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the Windows version released on Monday, the following versions of View-Pro 1.1 are available for download now: - BSD, Linux (various versions) - HP/UX - SGI IRIX - Solaris/Sparc and /x86 - SCO OpenServer - BeOS 5 (x86 and PPC) - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) Yes, all of them really are Pro versions, even AmigaOS and BeOS :-), and contain desktop, encryption, library and shell components. There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows. An updated version of the documentation should be ready later today. Enjoy ! -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [2/26] from: ingo::2b1::de at: 18-Apr-2001 21:45

[ALLY] Re: View-Pro 1.1 available -- finally, but ...


Thanks to RT for this, I've been checking the download page every 10 minutes since monday, to be sure to get the Linux version as fast as possible ... There's one little problem though, I can't connect to the web through the desktop ... Configuration: Debian/Gnu Linux 2.2r0 /View/Pro 1.1.0.4.2 connecting through a proxy server in the rebol shell read http://www.rebol.com works, but when I try to connect in the desktop I get Cannot Connect. Working offline (It works on another computer with the exact same setup, except _no_ proxy.) Any ideas? And thanks again, Ingo

 [3/26] from: d_urmson:ya:hoo at: 18-Apr-2001 23:53

[ALLY] Re: View-Pro 1.1 available for more platforms


> > >> View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the > >> - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) >> > >Now, is it possible to create a version for Amiga/PPC ? >
hang on, y isn't the mac supported for view? there's a few ppl in our comunity who would like an alternative to flash.... d

 [4/26] from: peoyli:algonet:se at: 18-Apr-2001 21:47


> View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the > - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) >
Now, is it possible to create a version for Amiga/PPC ? /PeO

 [5/26] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 18-Apr-2001 13:51


View/Pro for BeOS? Can I kiss you? Ryan C. Christiansen Web Developer Intellisol International 4733 Amber Valley Parkway Fargo, ND 58104 701-235-3390 ext. 6671 FAX: 701-235-9940 http://www.intellisol.com Global Leader in People Performance Software _____________________________________ Confidentiality Notice This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it, and we would ask you to notify us immediately by return email to [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com] Holger Kruse <[holger--rebol] To: [ally-list--rebol--com], [rebol-list--rebol--com] .com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [REBOL] View-Pro 1.1 available for more platforms rebol-bounce@ rebol.com 04/18/2001 01:37 PM Please respond to rebol-list View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the Windows version released on Monday, the following versions of View-Pro 1.1 are available for download now: - BSD, Linux (various versions) - HP/UX - SGI IRIX - Solaris/Sparc and /x86 - SCO OpenServer - BeOS 5 (x86 and PPC) - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) Yes, all of them really are Pro versions, even AmigaOS and BeOS :-), and contain desktop, encryption, library and shell components. There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows. An updated version of the documentation should be ready later today. Enjoy ! -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [6/26] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 18-Apr-2001 21:14


Hey Holger, Congratulations! Don't you guys eat, sleep etc? I am impressed (as usual). Maarten

 [7/26] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 18-Apr-2001 14:30


REBOL gets a little more ink from the BeOS community. Thanks, guys! http://www.benews.com/ Ryan C. Christiansen Web Developer Intellisol International 4733 Amber Valley Parkway Fargo, ND 58104 701-235-3390 ext. 6671 FAX: 701-235-9940 http://www.intellisol.com Global Leader in People Performance Software _____________________________________ Confidentiality Notice This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it, and we would ask you to notify us immediately by return email to [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]

 [8/26] from: alanwall:sonic at: 18-Apr-2001 13:06


Hello P-O On 18-Apr-01, P-O Yliniemi wrote:
>> >> View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the > >> - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) >> > > Now, is it possible to create a version for Amiga/PPC ? > > /PeO >
Not sure what they are using to compile for the ppc but guessing if they can compile for Mac ppc the Amiga should not be that hard.The Amiga 3000 that Holger is using does have the last version of SAS which has some ppc support.On a side note,Bo is no longer at Rebol! :( Regards -- The six most drastic mistakes made by humans: 1) The delusion that individual advancement is made by crushing others. 2) The tendency to worry about things that cannot be changed. 3) Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot do it ourselves. 4) Refusing to set aside trivial preferences. 5) Neglecting development and refinement of the mind, and not acquiring the habits of reading and study. 6) Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero sent via Yam ver2.2 on AmigaForever verIV Be a Rebel get Rebol@ rebol.com UIN#=9391028

 [9/26] from: jean:holzammer:faedv-n:bayern at: 19-Apr-2001 7:38


> View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the > Windows version released on Monday, the following versions of > View-Pro 1.1 are available for download now: > - AmigaOS (2.x/3.x, 68020+) > > Yes, all of them really are Pro versions, even AmigaOS and BeOS :-), > and contain desktop, encryption, library and shell components. >
Wow, can't believe it ! How much will a licence cost ? And what is the best way to buy one from Europe (without credit card) ? Jean

 [10/26] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 19-Apr-2001 8:21


Holzammer, Jean wrote:
> > > > View-Pro 1.1 is available for more platforms now. In addition to the
<<quoted lines omitted: 7>>
> Wow, can't believe it ! How much will a licence cost ? And what is the best > way to buy one from Europe (without credit card) ?
You should really set-up your VISA or MasterCard - it's so comfort! I already bought Rebol - Official Guide and also /Pro license via my VISA card. License costs 49 USD for ALL(!!) platforms - sounds cool, doesn't it? :-) Happy rebolling! -pekr-

 [11/26] from: steve:shireman:semaxwireless at: 18-Apr-2001 16:22


Wow, the price for View-Pro is right!! I'm going to buy a Windows for my work, and Amiga for Home. Took me a while to find the cost. Steve Shireman Holger Kruse wrote:

 [12/26] from: alan_otterstad:mikronvinyl at: 18-Apr-2001 15:06


View/Pro price includes all platforms currently ... only have to buy one license....get it now while it's hot... alan

 [13/26] from: kolla:nvg at: 19-Apr-2001 2:52


On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Holger Kruse wrote:
> There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell > components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows.
The Amiga version seems faster now, is it my imagination or..?
> An updated version of the documentation should be ready later today.
The documentation on system specific issues is very sparse :( Especially I miss the info on how to open on different pub screen, open own pub screen/mode/depth etc. The new desktop make sense to run on full screen on seperate amiga screen ;) Btw, the setup.html mentiones one can use Tool Types, but I suspect it talk about default tool.. "Use Amiga's Tool Types to set the REBOL icon to the REBOL executable file." should really say "Use Amiga Workbench's icon info to window to set REBOL executable as default tool for rebol project icons" Would be very nice if rebol could read tooltypes from icons directly as well and use them as if arguments from CLI :) -- kolla

 [14/26] from: kracik:mbox:dkm:cz at: 19-Apr-2001 10:11


Ahoj, jak je mozne v CR ziskat kartu VISA nebo MasterCard? Banky, kde jsem to zkousel, mi ji odmitly dat, chteji bud velky zustatek na uctu, nebo potvrzeni o zamestnani a pravidelnem vysokem prijmu. Official Guide a View/Pro jsem objednal pres kamarada, ktery kartu ma, ale View/Pro licence je ted na jeho jmeno a ne na moje. -- S pozdravem Michal Kracik Petr Krenzelok wrote:

 [15/26] from: cyphre:volny:cz at: 19-Apr-2001 12:34


----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Crandall <[alanwall--sonic--net]> To: <[ally-list--rebol--com]>; <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: [ALLY] Re: View-Pro 1.1 available for more platforms ---snip---
>On a side note,Bo is no longer at Rebol! :(
---snip--- Just curious...What happenned with Bo? Cyphre

 [16/26] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 19-Apr-2001 12:43


Richard Smolak wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Crandall <[alanwall--sonic--net]>
<<quoted lines omitted: 5>>
> ---snip--- > Just curious...What happenned with Bo?
No worry - I talked to Bo privately - he is fine and will announce his plans once he is ready to do so :-) I am also curious about RT management - quite quiet on that front. We (community) haven't even heard from our CEO yet, Dan is quiet too (hope he is busy writing contracts :-) .... -pekr-

 [17/26] from: carl:cybercraft at: 19-Apr-2001 23:13


On 19-Apr-01, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Holger Kruse wrote: >> There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell >> components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows. > The Amiga version seems faster now, is it my imagination or..?
I wondered that too...
>> An updated version of the documentation should be ready later >> today. > The documentation on system specific issues is very sparse :( > Especially I miss the info on how to open on different pub screen, > open own pub screen/mode/depth etc. The new desktop make sense to > run on full screen on seperate amiga screen ;)
I agree. I'd had the following in my user.r ... if (not none? system/view) [ system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600 system/view/screen-face/options: [ exclusive-colors: true ] ] which ran View programs on its own screen. You'd get a screen-requestor the first time you ran a program, the screen staying open till you ended the console session. Now, with View1.1, it's the same with the Desktop, but launching a program from the Desktop forces you to open a screen just for it. Which is a bit overkill for the calculator or clock... As this isn't a practical way to work, I gather we're stuck with the Desktop on Workbench. Unless there's a condition we could add to user.r to prevent REBOL opening more than one screen? That said, even when running on Workbench you see 4megs of memory dissapear by just launching the calculator - or anything for that matter. This isn't ideal RT! Yes, I know you'd know it...
> Btw, the setup.html mentiones one can use Tool Types, but I suspect > it talk about default tool.. "Use Amiga's Tool Types to set the
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>
> as well and use them as if arguments from CLI :) > -- kolla
-- Carl Read [carl--cybercraft--co--nz]

 [18/26] from: bga:din:uem at: 19-Apr-2001 10:33


From: <[ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]>
> View/Pro for BeOS? Can I kiss you?
This is *WAY* cool! Is the BeOS specific information about the Pro version (library/shell access) available yet? -Bruno

 [19/26] from: holger:rebol at: 19-Apr-2001 12:02


On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:52:40AM +0200, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Holger Kruse wrote: > > > There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell > > components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows. > > The Amiga version seems faster now, is it my imagination or..?
It is. View 1.0 was accidentally released with some compiler optimizations disabled.
> Especially I miss the info on how to open on different pub screen, > open own pub screen/mode/depth etc. The new desktop make sense to > run on full screen on seperate amiga screen ;)
Set system/view/screen-face/options to a block as follows: To open on a custom screen and prompt you for a screenmode (AmigaOS 2.1 or higher): [exclusive-colors] To open on a custom screen of a certain mode and depth: [exclusive-colors screen-mode "NTSC:HighRes" screen-depth 4] To open on an existing, open, named public screen, created previously by your favorite public screen manager (e.g. PSI): [exclusive-colors screen-name "screenname"] Opening on a public screen is recommended with View, because that way multiple instances of View (main desktop and launched scripts e.g.) can share the same screen.
> Btw, the setup.html mentiones one can use Tool Types, but I suspect > it talk about default tool.. "Use Amiga's Tool Types to set the REBOL > icon to the REBOL executable file." should really say "Use Amiga Workbench's > icon info to window to set REBOL executable as default tool for rebol > project icons"
Yes.
> Would be very nice if rebol could read tooltypes from icons directly as > well and use them as if arguments from CLI :)
It can. Have you tried ? Just enter the arguments as tool types with one tool type per argument, e.g. +q -s -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [20/26] from: holger:rebol at: 19-Apr-2001 12:08


On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:13:22PM +1200, Carl Read wrote:
> Now, with View1.1, it's the same with the Desktop, but launching a > program from the Desktop forces you to open a screen just for it. > Which is a bit overkill for the calculator or clock...
Yes, that's because custom screens in AmigaOS cannot be shared between applications. Use View with public screens instead.
> That said, even when running on Workbench you see 4megs of memory > dissapear by just launching the calculator - or anything for that > matter. This isn't ideal RT! Yes, I know you'd know it...
The alternative is to allow runnning scripts within the View environment used by the desktop, without launching a separate instance of View. We support that in /Link where scripts come from a trusted source, but not in /View, because the desktop environment requires more relaxed security settings (e.g. write access to the installation directory so preferences can be saved). Scripts are not supposed to have that kind of access, because that would make it too easy to write trojans. The real solution to this is having "modules" within View, but this will take some time... -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [21/26] from: mat:eurogamer at: 20-Apr-2001 0:38


Heya Holger, Carl said;
>> That said, even when running on Workbench you see 4megs of memory >> dissapear by just launching the calculator
Hehe. You should render view in a MUI window, just to piss the Amiga die-hards off even more :) -- Mat Bettinson - EuroGamer's Gaming Evangelist with a Goatee http://www.eurogamer.net | http://www.eurogamer-network.com

 [22/26] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 20-Apr-2001 16:19


On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Holger Kruse wrote:
> > > There are some minor differences in the way the library and shell > > > components work with AmigaOS and BeOS compared to Unix and Windows. > > > > The Amiga version seems faster now, is it my imagination or..? > > It is. View 1.0 was accidentally released with some compiler optimizations > disabled.
Aha, good. It is still sluggish though, especially I find the rebtris hard to play, seems like rebol caches in the input stream, so if I eager to get a brick down, many of the keypresses will affect the next brick. This behavious is a must in a text editor or other typing related, but in a game, this gets very nasty.. lagged keypresses make games damn annoying :) Perhaps there could a way to tell rebol to use a realtime approach on inputs for certain objects/windows/whatever?
> [exclusive-colors screen-name "screenname"] > > Opening on a public screen is recommended with View, because that way multiple > instances of View (main desktop and launched scripts e.g.) can share the same > screen.
Yes, indeed... PSI at work as usual :)
> > Would be very nice if rebol could read tooltypes from icons directly as > > well and use them as if arguments from CLI :) > > It can. Have you tried ? Just enter the arguments as tool types with one > tool type per argument, e.g. > > +q > -s
Aha ok, great :) (btw I regged (at least tried to) AmiWin a few weeks ago, but havent heard/seen anything yet, if you check it out) -- kolla

 [23/26] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 20-Apr-2001 16:23


On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Holger Kruse wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:13:22PM +1200, Carl Read wrote: > > Now, with View1.1, it's the same with the Desktop, but launching a > > program from the Desktop forces you to open a screen just for it. > > Which is a bit overkill for the calculator or clock... > > Yes, that's because custom screens in AmigaOS cannot be shared between > applications. Use View with public screens instead.
Reminds me.. when we install rebol we get asked about certain graphical options.. where are these stored? It would be great with some way to set these later on as well.
> > That said, even when running on Workbench you see 4megs of memory > > dissapear by just launching the calculator - or anything for that > > matter. This isn't ideal RT! Yes, I know you'd know it... > > The alternative is to allow runnning scripts within the View environment > used by the desktop, without launching a separate instance of View.
Yes... as was mentioned in the embedded discussion earlier, a reentrant rebol which on amiga could be set resident. -- kolla

 [24/26] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 20-Apr-2001 16:25


On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mat Bettinson wrote:
> Heya Holger, > > Carl said; > > >> That said, even when running on Workbench you see 4megs of memory > >> dissapear by just launching the calculator > > Hehe. You should render view in a MUI window, just to piss the Amiga > die-hards off even more :)
Well, if that would be MUI for MorphOS, with REBOL/View for MorphOS... sure, anytime.. make our day, please :) -- kolla

 [25/26] from: cyphre:volny:cz at: 20-Apr-2001 17:07


Congratulations Holger!!! Yesterday I was trying Amiga /View and it works GREAT. It is really a bit faster. Even the "hardware" scrolling is fast and without the GFX garbage. I'm also looking for the /Pro Amiga features. (I'll buy the /Pro license as soon as my financial situation gets better ;)) I just found one minor problem: when resizing the desktop window it looks like the bottom edge is not calculated well so the desktop layout is not shown in full size after resizing...I have not much time to track the problem. Just another question: Will be possible to make a special 68060/FPU optimized version of /View? Would be there any speed-up effect? Keep up the great support for our oldies Amiga machines Regards, Cyphre

 [26/26] from: carl:cybercraft at: 21-Apr-2001 18:00


On 20-Apr-01, Holger Kruse wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:52:40AM +0200, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote: >> Especially I miss the info on how to open on different pub screen,
<<quoted lines omitted: 12>>
> way multiple instances of View (main desktop and launched scripts > e.g.) can share the same screen.
Which I've spent a lot of time trying to get View to do - and finally did by removing "exclusive-colors" from the block as described above. ie: [screen-name "screenname"] is all that's required to give me View on a public screen. Is this actually the correct method, or is there a bug here somewhere? -- Carl Read [carl--cybercraft--co--nz]

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