IOS and presentations with Audio
[1/7] from: bkalef::csc::com at: 22-Oct-2002 11:03
A future look at what IOS could include if/when Multi-media Reblets are made available. http://www.accerra.com Does anybody have other links to other CRM solutions being provided today that either IOS can already do (better/worse) or solutions that do things that IOS should be extended to do in the 'near' future? It would be a worthy exercise to come up with a list to compare the pluses and minuses of IOS with these other tools and see how it stacks up. Anyone interested? Brock
[2/7] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 22-Oct-2002 19:41
Brock Kalef wrote:
>A future look at what IOS could include if/when Multi-media Reblets are >made available. > http://www.accerra.com >
Not heard of that one, but company that tells me that I need newer IE just pisses me so much, that I will never ever bother to visit once again. PPL should wake up - the world is not MS, period! Most ppl I know use Mozilla already anyway (as I push them to do so ... :-) Just a curiosity: http://www.iobject.com/ Just a name clash with IOS? They even seem to use path for naming their products - IOS/Track etc. ... Now it would be interesting, if RT decided to bring in IOS/Track too :-) -pekr-
[3/7] from: gscottjones:mchsi at: 22-Oct-2002 14:24
> Brock Kalef wrote: > > >A future look at what IOS could include if/when Multi-media Reblets are > >made available. > > http://www.accerra.com
From: "Petr Krenzelok"
> Not heard of that one, but company that tells me that I need newer IE > just pisses me so much, that I will never ever bother to visit once > again. PPL should wake up - the world is not MS, period! Most ppl I know > use Mozilla already anyway (as I push them to do so ... :-)
[4/7] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 23-Oct-2002 8:11
G. Scott Jones wrote:
>>Brock Kalef wrote: >>
<<quoted lines omitted: 30>>>6.0. Some would be curious and download the REBOL viewer plug-in, but most >would just move on to greener web pages.
Yes, I know - but there is a difference, at least for me. Rebol is kind of a plug-in to www. Plug-ins are just that - plug-ins - providing special extensions to your www experience. But why to limit me to use IE? That's simply arrogant and I reply to such case with arrogance too. Look, you can surrender, but not me - never :-) I am used to live in small communities (Amiga, Rebol, Lotus Smartsuit vs Ms Offcie). I can understand some arguments, but not those ones. I remember the talk to one folk regarding his site - he told me - IE is standard. So I told him, that I will ban hisr site for our corporate users - I didn't wanted to use the power, but he used power of MS agains freedome of choise to area, which belongs to W3C. You know what - we both studied a bit what is a problem, and it was just few lines he adapted to make it work. It was good experience for both of us ...
>As always, I find your comments interesting and evocative. >
or provokative? :-)
>I don't mean to >sound like I am being critical of your comment (at least not critical in the >negative sense of the word). But your comment implied a likely unintended >hypocrisy >
It was not hypocricy imo - Rebol is different matter, at least for me. But I was banned with browser, which is nowadays FAR MORE standard compliant than IE, they have no good reason to do so imo. And if you can't believe me, just go to see for yourself: http://www.richinstyle.com/ But after all - that's their choise, not mine - they want to atract me, so they should care to do so ... I will not download IE 6, XY MBs, which potentially will make some unwanted updates to my system (as usual with such MS updates), and make it unstable ...
> that spurred me to comment. (After all, you complained on Link >that people don't respond enough to your comment, making you look like you >are alone. So here I am! :-) >
Yes, but I complained from the different POV. Ppl here feel, that situation with rebol is strange, that RT is mostly not communicating with ml, there are no new official releases for far too long, no proper answers from feedback, no development roadmap, etc. etc. So I sometimes expressed my opinion, but only very few of you supported me. So in RT's eyes it could be translated as "Ah, Petr complaining once again, nothing new", while OTOH the problem was felt similarly by many of us here ... PS: you should apply for RT's position of Marketing director ... you write and explain things so nicely, without the hype :-) -pekr-
[5/7] from: gscottjones:mchsi at: 23-Oct-2002 8:02
> G. Scott Jones wrote: > >As always, I find your comments interesting and evocative. > >
From: "Petr Krenzelok"
> or provokative? :-) >
Now that you mention it, both. I used the word evocative mainly because the response is more emotional. Provocative means to me generating a response of any nature. Your interesting comments tend to evoke an emotional response, but I don't feel provoked to respond in writing very often, because misunderstandings can so easily occur, especially in the casual writing style typical of e-mail mailing lists. And, this very issue reminds me that I should have written more carefully because of the international flavor of the list. :-) I am being complimentary and sincere when I say that your comments and criticisms are interesting and both provocative and evocative. What seems to be lacking sometimes is the demonstration of compassion for the position that RT is in. This may be due to language issues or just a personal style. Personally, *I know* that you care very deeply about the fate/future of RT and REBOL, so I tend to set aside some of the more negative emotions that your comments sometimes evoke. I truly know that you mean well, so it is easy to do. If a newcomer were to say some of the same things, I would tend to see it as more of an outright attack. But, as far as I can tell, you have been around from the beginning of the REBOLution, and you genuinely seem to care. SJ> > that spurred me to comment. (After all, you SJ> > complained on Link that people don't respond SJ> > enough to your comment, making you look like SJ> > you are alone. So here I am! :-)
PK> Yes, but I complained from the different POV. PK> Ppl here feel, that situation with rebol is strange, PK> that RT is mostly not communicating with ml, PK> there are no new official releases for far too long, PK> no proper answers from feedback, no development PK> roadmap, etc. etc. So I sometimes expressed my PK> opinion, but only very few of you supported me. So PK> in RT's eyes it could be translated as "Ah, Petr PK> complaining once again, nothing new", while OTOH PK> the problem was felt similarly by many of us here ... I can see your point, and I can understand why you feel this way. It is a bit hazardous to make assumptions about *why* people do or do not chime in. Again, it may be more of a matter of personal style and/or reservations about using this medium we call e-mail. People on this list seem unusually courteous and respectful. To me, this is a "Good Thing." The flip side is that people may seem complacent. Perhaps so. Or perhaps they are exerting influence through a different style, one that is more subtle almost to the point of not being obvious. The samurai is almost always visible and obvious, but the Budhist monk can be very subtle and may fade into the background. I have done the samurai act a few times in my career, and I have lived to regret it. It hasn't worked for me. I think some people have the charisma to use this method very effectively. PK> PS: you should apply for RT's position of Marketing PK> director ... you write and explain things so nicely, without PK> the hype :-) Thank you, Petr, that is a very nice thing to say. Best wishes, --Scott Jones
[6/7] from: rebol-list2:seznam:cz at: 24-Oct-2002 21:58
Hello Petr, Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 8:11:29 AM, you wrote:
>> that spurred me to comment. (After all, you complained on Link >>that people don't respond enough to your comment, making you look like you >>are alone. So here I am! :-) >>
PK> Yes, but I complained from the different POV. Ppl here feel, that PK> situation with rebol is strange, that RT is mostly not communicating PK> with ml, there are no new official releases for far too long, no proper PK> answers from feedback, no development roadmap, etc. etc. So I sometimes PK> expressed my opinion, but only very few of you supported me. So in RT's PK> eyes it could be translated as "Ah, Petr complaining once again, nothing PK> new", while OTOH the problem was felt similarly by many of us here ... I agree with you, Petr, that RT is not enough communicating with us. For example I think it would be better to hear from Carl, that he just wants to spend some time on holiday (maybe making his own vine) or that he just needs some time to finish somethink what we cannot understand at all than to let us guess what's going on in RT. oldes PS: not to be so negative: Rebol is still the best tool anyway.
[7/7] from: kemp:extelligence at: 25-Oct-2002 14:31
I'm having difficulty communicating with RT as well - fairly simple questions, no or minimal replies. I'm still learning and evaluating the product, it appears to do most of what we need, and I really like it, but we sure as heck won't be buying commercial licenses if I don't see support. I appreciate it's a small company, and like all startups, will have troubles getting everything done to everyone's satisfaction. Nevertheless, communication, even with undesirable/unhelpful responses, is mandatory for RT or any other startup's success. By following REBOL, we are pioneering, and putting our companies somewhat at risk to hopefully glean a reward for that risk. I'm willing to risk the product, but not the support. Kemp
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