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[REBOL] Re: IOS and presentations with Audio

From: gscottjones:mchsi at: 22-Oct-2002 14:24

> Brock Kalef wrote: > > >A future look at what IOS could include if/when Multi-media Reblets are > >made available. > >
From: "Petr Krenzelok"
> Not heard of that one, but company that tells me that I need newer IE > just pisses me so much, that I will never ever bother to visit once > again. PPL should wake up - the world is not MS, period! Most ppl I know > use Mozilla already anyway (as I push them to do so ... :-)
... Hi, Petr, You are so shy about sharing your opinion. Maybe you will overcome that shyness one day! :-) I agree that it can be very upsetting to browse to a website only to be told what I need to do: need IE 6.x, need JavaScript 1.5xxx, need flash 6.x enabled. When I am just browsing, it can be frustrating. The _web_ should be _universal_, at least for general browsing purposes. But your comment reminds me of a parallel coincidence (if not even a bit ironic) that Reblets in _web_ pages, too, present a road block to general web browsing. We are (or at least I am) sold on how neat it would be to seamlessly have Reblets displaying extra functionality within a web page, but it requires the hypothetical-and-unlikely-to-ever-surface-again REBOL plug-in viewer. For general browsing/viewing, we would tick-off and alienate some casual lookers in the same way you felt alienated when asked to get IE 6.0. Some would be curious and download the REBOL viewer plug-in, but most would just move on to greener web pages. I chalk this up to a paradigm issue. Web pages are for web browsing and should be as neutral as possible (like looking through a "free" newspaper). REBOL's leverage is not in the web space, but in the Internet space. I remind myself that while many leave JavaScript and Flash enabled for general browsing, those two programs are exceptional in that they hit the web space at just the right time for them to be incorporated as _almost_ being a part of the web. But in my mind they are not. Java's prime hit a smidge too late and was excessively hampered by compatibility issues. Curl, and all the rest, are fighting the very same issues that REBOL has struggled with. I believe that all factors considered that RT probably made the right decision in not getting too hung up on providing a browser plug-in. It would have been nice, but may not have helped enough to offset the cost of resources necessary to make it happen for Netscape compatibility and IE 5.5 and up compatibility. REBOL is fighting in a competitive space. I think that one of the best advantages that REBOL offers is shear simplicity compared to many other solutions. Web browsing has gone through its rapid growth phase. I suspect that it has entered into a maturing phase allowing for better device independent access (likely through CSS). Mozilla and Opera may well force MS to support the standards, but even that is not a given. I think that as people get more comfortable with Internet access and web browsing, that they will be more willing to look at solutions that leverage the Internet, and not just the World Wide Web. The idea of downloading a special purpose app to manage a customer relationship will not be seen as that onerous. This point was driven home to me when eBay recently decided to forego their listing access for power sellers via an XML-ish solution and switch to API access only. The casual seller can still use the web-based sell listing form, but their special purpose software requires using the API. Interesting, and I guess that represents *their* vote on the "generic" semantic benefit of XML when used in enterprise solutions. just went all css. This sort of move likely represents a water-shed event for other sites. In the US, as more and more people with disabilities sue corporations for the inaccessibility of their websites, more and more companies will make the leap to what promises to be a simpler solution while being more widely readable (handhelds, cellular phones, etc). I have been wondering whether eBay making this huge decision may serve as a water-shed event for other companies who need special channel access to their suppliers and customers over the Internet to make the jump. I have seen very little reference to this issue, but maybe it is still early yet! It occurred to me that eBay might eventually even offer a non-browser based solution for auction browsing. That *would* get the interest of the pundits. I suspect that things are only just now going to get really interesting on the Internet, and REBOL may be the most efficient way to leverage this market. Time will tell on both accounts. As always, I find your comments interesting and evocative. I don't mean to sound like I am being critical of your comment (at least not critical in the negative sense of the word). But your comment implied a likely unintended hypocrisy that spurred me to comment. (After all, you complained on Link that people don't respond enough to your comment, making you look like you are alone. So here I am! :-) Best wishes and maybe now is the time to get geared up for your off-hours venture! --Scott Jones