[REBOL] Re: Giving up Rebol?/binary skip
From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 11-Dec-2002 0:24
Tim Johnson wrote:
>* pat665 <[reboler--ifrance--com]> [021210 13:15]:
>>>so send your feedback in and RT will hopefully tell you, when they'll fix it.
>>A few days ago, I send feedback about my problem with email. No response.
>>So why bother sending. My last problem was this :
>> fp: open/direct/binary %file.dat
>> fp: skip fp 10
> Oh brother... don't me started! Oh, oh, here I go!
> This bug has persisted for over 2 years. I've submitted a report on it.
> I know others have. It's been discussed on this list more than once.
> I consider it entirely unacceptable that RT has not fixed this.
> Given the talent and resources at RT, I don't believe that this
> should be that difficult for them to fix, given some time and attention.
> I also want to say that this is an example of an oversight that makes
> rebol vulnerable to criticism. At one time, I demonstrated rebol to
> some other IT professionals,
> (and I'm talking about some major organizations here -
> not some at-home coder like me)
> and they declined to go further with rebol for this very reason that
> Patrick is citing above.
Yes, not having proper tech support is nearly suicide nowadays. Even
mySQL has its commercial company nowadays and they do sell tech support.
I think that RT need proper marketing manager to create network of VARs
and OEMs. It is up to us too, to stand in, and as for Czech republic,
there is some plan already ;-)
I can second your opinion. RT has to realise (and I think Carl is open
enough to listen), that if something was killing them in last two years,
it was lack of proper tech support. I hope it now changed and situation
will get better ...
As for big organisations, I am rather skeptic. I work as e-biz manager
for very big metal industry company, and I can tell you, there can be
some chance. Not all companie are willing to invest into new big
expensive solutions each year. One SAP is enough, isn't it? I think that
RT is starting to miss another train here. I mentioned SAP e.g.
Communication of SAP is changing from RFC to XML stuff, SOAP etc. Other
big sw in our company - Lotus Notes platform 6.0 - good XML support too
or so I heard. So, as I know many managers, I think I know how do the
think. They will look into Rebol spec sheet and ask - what XML support
it offers? Well ... that answers everything - status - closed.
And it does not really matter, if community has few quick XML hacks
flying around. If it will not appear in some spec-sheet/white-paper, it
will not be considered. We can object, that Rebol offers easier way of
communication, but that's all we can do about it. Our SAP or LN folks
will tell me -here's SOAP, ebXML etc., accept it, or go away ...
We are going to stay isolated in business area imo, unless we support
XML. Some ppl here could object, that DCOM or so is more important, but
imo it is not. XML is gonna to become universal cross-app glue, sooner
than later ....
> IOWS, rebol lost a couple of potentially very big clients...
> Carl, you should be reading this...
> -this IS a weakness - less the bug itself than the length of persistance.
I believe it is going to change soon enough now ...