[REBOL] Re: Giving up Rebol?
From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 10-Dec-2002 18:57
OK Patrick, here we go ...
... you know me, so you probably know too, that I was (am) regarded
being the most negative voice here. So just don't try to take over my
position ;-) OK, now seriously.
The last year or even more I felt frustrated by RTs strategy and lack of
. Each time I voiced my opinion I was accused of being
negative, possibly destructive to the newcomers, not doing actually
anything usefull (not producing any scripts) etc etc.
Then something happened. I received emails or was contacted in
conference by various ppl you know here on ml, and suddenly I was not
allone. The difference though, was that I am used to express myself
loudly. Maybe it is not good tactics, but I am used to it. So ... I
talked to Carl in IOS Messenger ... not once, but several times. He
explained me few things, which could probably can't be told publicly
here back at that time, so I better understood RTs position. OTOH I
provided him with nearly all negative reports I received from various
users here and tried to convince Carl, that something definitely HAS to
I thought to myself - something has to happen, or Rebol id dead. Latest
offcial View release nearly one year ago? No new docs? No new IOS
reblets? Holger, Jeff, Sterling silently vanishing from this ml?
And just few hours later, November update was publised at RT's site. And
that was just beginning. And I hope it IS just beginning and thigs are
starting to be brighter once again with Rebol.
Carl's presence here, his willingness to communication, gives us new
refreshing feeling that being a Reboller does make sense once again! So
you told me there is no feedback, right? Sorry, but don't you lie a bit
;-) I myself sent three reports to feedbacks, others did sent some
feedback too, and as for me, I received answers in one day! New feedback
is cool, it is as it should be. What is more, I have heard that SDK
customers will have access to public bug database - even cooler!
GPF? When? How? If so - report it to feedback. Rebol does not behave
randomly, if it crashes, it is most time reproducable - so send your
feedback in and RT will hopefully tell you, when they'll fix it.
Docs? It will come imo. There is new glimpse - SDK docs. They are imo
good. And - that is also our position to help RT with new docs.
The future? It was already told here by Carl - SKD release first, many
bug fixes follows, then various enhancemets will hopefully take place!
So, I would very MUCH liked RT turning into core language
developments/enhancements! There is plenty of desires here. Async
networking, color text and various other View enhancemetns ... I would
also like to suggest RT to turn into framework provider. E.g. I feel a
bit limited with IOS here or there. Maybe RT could add IOS rmp protocol
and app protocol to SDK and sell it for some 500 USD or so, allowing
developers to come up with various IOS variants etc etc.
Why do I regard frameworks being important? Because others can build
upon them, in an unified way .... Rebol itself is a framework, but we
need imo protocol/scheme plug-in framework and as for View plug-ins, it
is upon Carl to decide and find some working model, as it can be risky
I hope we will soon enough here some word from Carl, upon the direction
he chooses for Rebol and its core development ...
PS: If I can suggest you - don't give up! Or even better - go for
Python, Curl or Ruby ... and you will very soon realise, that none of
them is ideal (maybe Python is most worked out, as it is older language
...) and you will always miss something you had with Rebol. And at the
time you get back, many things you complain about will be hopefully