[REBOL] Re: Rebol SDK vs Command
From: petr:krenzelok:seznam:cz at: 15-Sep-2007 10:44
Carl Read napsal(a):
> On Friday, 14-September-2007 at 12:01:28 Gregg Irwin wrote,
>
>> I'm not sure what products are what anymore,
>>
>
> Which succinctly sums up RT's problems as a 'business'. It doesn't open-source, so
REBOL can't become a popular language, and it doesn't do the business basics to make
it succeed as closed-source software.
>
> -- Carl Read.
>
Carl,
I just noticed some of your frustration, also in different thread. But -
I don't want to listen to open-source = success crap, really :-) RT's
situation has NOTHING to do with REBOL being oper-source or not. I will
sum situation as follows:
- I hate when RT did absolutly unrealistic news on their site - once it
was about components (just to stop #R clone effort), another with "next
month alpha R3", which was more than one year ago. I really don't
understand, how so good developer as Carl could release such an insane
info ...
- RT applied closed development, because architecture of R2 did not
allow otherwise
- Communication of RT, mainly in 2000 - 2003 was terrible. It was much
improved with Carl's blogs
- The situation with R3 should now be completly different. Already in
the design process, there were ppl like Gabriele, Ladislav, Cyphre
involved. R3 rebol is just a .dll, which is platform agnostic, so all is
needed (in theory) is just to recompile, the rest is open sourced. I
think that that factor alone will not bring new ppl onboard, maybe a
few. And as for me - I have absolutly no respect for ppl, which will
bitch about R3 not being "fully" open sourced. I have friend, who is
with Python, because it is open source, yet he never looked into its
sources. OS seems to be a cult. I believe RT will accept help of those,
who really want to help. This hybrid model should nicely work imo.
- In addition to the above - Geomol already showed interest in trying to
port to OS-X, and Carl agreed. It is already happening. Also some
porting docs started to beeing produced
- R3 vs R2 and incompatibilities. I say - forget R2, old story. I always
objected, when ppl on altme wanted R2 to spend some time backporting to
R2. You can still use R2, and some bugs might be fixed. But with so
small community, I thing that further development of R2 is total waste
of time, which prevents R3 from being finished. Unfortunately changes in
R3 kernels are so big, that backporting is not possible in most cases.
- As for R3 becoming public - I believe that situation is now more
realistic, and that we can prevent unrealistic claims. Carl allowed us
to inform rest of the community about the project status. My take is,
that it will last some 2 - 3 months, before R3 is as usable, as R2. VID
is not finished, nor are things as network protocols. Only http right
now, although async, and 1.1 version. Currently we are investigating
possibility of a) other ppl to help b) internal release to altme rebol3
world or ml release.
- as for marketing, I want to volunteer to help RT to redo their site.
There is very many areas to help. If you are interested, just express
your wish. I believe that in few months we will all have enough
oportunity to help. Porting, docs, websites, extensions, etc.
Cheers,
-pekr-
