[REBOL] Re: [Web-Services]
From: bry:itnisk at: 19-Jun-2004 9:31
the question is what kind of web services, rebol is well situated for building
rest-based webservices, http://www.xfront.com/REST-Web-Services.html and not so
well situated for building soap-based, if one realizes that what most
developers
of soap-services want is higher level tools that allow one to come to grips
with
the horrors of xml schema http://www.w3.org/XML/Schema#dev, wsdl
http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl, the WS-I stack http://www.ws-i.org/ and so forth
ad-infinitum. Having spent a couple years with SOAP, starting from its
inception, to the first releases of the Microsoft Soap kit, and tools such as
pocketsoap (still pretty much the only one I would trust), and going on to its
acceptance as a W3 recommendation I can say that I really think this will end
up
being one of the industry's many failed technologies that currently is very
hot,
if someone wants to chase hotness, it is the thing everyone is chasing right
now
and as a consequence everyone says that oh, a language needs to support web
services or it is doomed to extinction, on the other hand if what one assumes
is
that a developer will read and or write wsdl, schemas in some tool suited for
doing so, and then write the rebol code to accept soap etc. it might be
reasonably useful given that SOAP, as per spec is no longer thought of as being
http specific but is instead conceived of as being protocol agnostic, an
astonishingly bad design decision that leads me to assume I must have designed
it while on a coked-up drunken manic spree that I am too fragile to safely
recall, it is this protocol agnosticism that leads to really dumb things like
this: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-soap12-rep-20040428/
which is an implementation of HTTP OVER SOAP, instead of Soap over http, hah, or
this usage of sending sms messages over SOAP:
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-tipsms1.html
but anyway, it might be that rebol is better suited to working with this bad
aspect of soap than many other languages.
note that I do believe that xml is a technology that has passed the hot phase
and become established, not having tools that support the core xml
specifications make Rebol a harder sell. Anyway, It is support for these
specifications that needs to be achieved if one ever wanted to do stuff like
supporting web services etc.
Quoting Gregg Irwin <[greggirwin--mindspring--com]>:
