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I am moving all my web site and web apps to a new server. Unfortunately, 
I have to change all the DNS entries too, so interruptions might 
occur during the next 24-48h on the following sites:

- cheyenne-server.org
- curecode.org
- static.red-lang.org
- softinnov.org

Ah sorry! I wanted to post this to web, but got "internet got busy" 
and while I was trying to fix it I posted here

I think I should find a web page that compares multiline comment 
syntax for main languages to see if there's any good  alternative 
to the C way.

Branches: no, they are volatile, and I certainly don't want to have 
to thing about updating them on the web site each time I add/remove 
one...

Pekr: I'm giving you the codes because it seems something is going 
wrong with your editor. In my Notepad or any other decent text editor 
here, I can type (or copy/paste them from the web) without any issue.

CGI is based on the same principle. It's supposed to be a gateway 
from a Unix web server to a Unix file system, so you can secure it 
with operating system tools

Adding CGI would be good for online demo's? Well for building web-sites 
too! Finally drop php.

Yes, the hope is that we can rally support to do the things, like 
web sites, forum moderation, etc. so core developers (i.e. Doc) can 
focus on development.

Arnold: the changes you did that were accepted have been pushed to 
master branch too and are now published on red-lang.org. For documentation 
changes, the master branch version is the one that gets published 
on the web site.

Doc - web seems to stopped displaying twitter news messages?

Twitter message on web site: that's blogger's widget for Twitter's 
feeds...can't do much about it.

There's something deeply wrong in the way most so-called "modern" 
OS/desktops are designed. My 133MHz Bebox with a poor PCI video card 
was able to provide a very responsive UI, even under heavy load.


The RPi feels like dying as soon as you launch the lightweight (no 
kidding!) web browser Midori...Of course, the browsing is very slow...I'm 
quite disappointed by that and it's not the hardware fault, the RPi 
is a great platform, but the software stack sucks a lot.

Doc, quick license question: Was the BSL chosen because it allows 
you to distribute a binary without requiring that you distribute 
the license, unlike MIT and almost all other open source licenses? 
Would it be a problem if you incorporated Apache licensed code, which 
doesn't distinguish between source or binaries in this? You probably 
wouldn't have to actually include the license with the product, only 
in a web site or help file somewhere...

If I put a link on my web site then I'm giving it. I don't have to 
include it, just give it. With BSD and MIT licenses you have to include 
it though.

When you distribute your REBOL program now, you just dump the script 
somewhere, on a web site or in an email or in AltME. To match that 
with Red, you don't want to have to give a licence at all

The Apache licence was written for a complete web server, the GPL 
is used for complete kernels

So you can share the total donation amount (per month, or all), and 
"thanks to those people" text on the web site. Put people to the 
list if they donate even once.

There is something similar on C64 Scene Database: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/donate.php

Gabriele: that was my first intent, but I gave up to avoid having 
to code and maintain a dynamic web page...Also, I would need to set 
up a workflow, so that donators would need to fill a form first before 
accessing the donation options. I wanted to keep it simple, but maybe 
we need that.

Git doesn't have a web UI

By the way, the URL for read-web-page is hardcoded to red-lang.org

Doc: I wonder if there's a web service out there that lets you take 
donations and shows a page like the humble bundle one. if not, perhaps 
we should make one. :-)

Does this mean no GUI or just gui done in different way?

 See all the presentation slides for Red, a native GUI system will 
 be provided. Also a web server with a new web framework will be part 
 of Red stack, so modern style web apps will be supported.


The GUI will probably be done in different way than R3 underneath, 
maybe a gob!-like datatype will be a good match, but such implementation 
detail is not known until implementation starts. Also, it is possible 
to extract R3 GUI code, wrap it in a shared library and plug it in 
Red (but I won't be the one doing that and maintaining such wrapper).

The source code should be easily parse-able, so the list of functions, 
native, actions, ops could be extracted and pretty-printed as a web 
page. IIRC, someone tried to make such script but I didn't see any 
result yet.

Well, I try to switch to dark themes to both save powers and my eyes. 
;-) 


I've provided a switching option to more classical "light" theme 
for the docs, but doing the same for the web site was too much work 
for me, so I've left it with the dark theme only. I will fix that 
once we get a new web site for Red (or if someone skilled enough 
can make the changes, I'll be glad to push them online).

Well, all the existing Red docs are on github, so feel free to add 
PDF generation, I will gladly add them to the web site.

GrahamC: I will add to the Red web site only links to strictly Red-related 
communication channels. OTOH, I can tweet this link.

I'd like to know if it would be possible to use Red/System to implement 
a program to capture frames from a web cam on a Raspberry Pi?  Or 
would this be better performed in another language?

NickA - I share your point of view. Ppl mostly nowadays think, that 
the web rules it all. However - it is still complex. I don't care, 
if we generate HTML5 (whatever it is) in the end, as far as we can 
very easily build apps using VID like dialect. I remember those initial 
days, where we had really a small script (1.6KB) to show image from 
4 webcams ...

Red is certainly not ready for prime time now. What we need now is 
testers and contributors. So just putting a link to source archive 
in a Download section wouldn't help much, as users would have no 
clue what to do with it. Again, there's a "Fork me on Github" button 
on top of all pages on red-lang.org. If users have no clue what Github 
is, then they are probably not ready for contributing. I will add 
a Download section once we have binaries for Red compiler (encapped 
versions of R2 compiler for now).


Once Red gets ready (documented and in beta state), I will open a 
new site that will be fully user-oriented (in contrary to the current 
one which is followers/contributors oriented).


About Red/System: it is meant to be a dialect embedded in Red, however, 
its intrinsic value seems to be high and will be higher as we add 
more feature and optimize it. Maybe it could be a good selling point 
for making some low-level programmers come to Red.  As Red/System 
is much more mature than Red, maybe I should think about opening 
soon a dedicated web site for it (would still need a binary version 
of the compiler)... What do you think?

I think I will add a big "Language Under Construction" yellow banner 
on top the red-lang.org site, like in the web 1.0 era. ;-)

Livecode cross-compiles to any platform.  I can build Windows, Mac, 
Linux, Android, and Web apps, and X-code projects, with the click 
of a button *all on my Windows machine (or on a Mac or Linux box, 
if I want).

Kaj: do you see the content there: http://transmog.net/iphone-simulator/mobile-web-browser-emulator-for-ipad-2.php?u=https://trello.com/board/red-programming-language/51387ada4e1ba9b86b001141

It's a web proxy, you can surf the site from there.

Hmm, so not a web proxy...

Saphirion's Host-kit has been updated:
-added PNG encoder
-added Core extension module for generic additional commands
-reworked compile/build process
-fixed security flaw in Encap
-fixed bug caused non-functional networking
-improved console output handling logic
-patched ENCODE to not crash on png
-updated LOAD-GUI with currentspahirion link
-recompiled r3.exe, r3core.exe, r3encap.exe and r3ogl.exe

Update on the web-page will be available on the weekend.

InvoiceFox for US was finally serriously released 1month ago and 
a 2 weeks back added to Chrome Web Store https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jjolcoebhfocblfngacoplfgfehdloml

www.tree-mapper.com 	First releas of the web-page for our new product. 
Done with R3. We will add more and more over time.

The locations of the repositories on the web are unchanged. I need 
the Red- prefixes there to make the repository names unique in the 
Fossil server

The guys at Etsy added Chris's library and my tutorial to their developer 
pages.  https://www.etsy.com/developers/documentation/resources/developer_resources
 I really think there's a marketing opportunity for REBOL, doing 
these sorts of tutorials for other web APIs

REBOL publishing libraries and tutorials like this for other popular 
web APIs.  Get a bunch of big web sites linking to REBOL sites, and 
their developer communities all taking a look at REBOL, and there 
will be curiosity and added traffic.

I'm particularly interested in results for MSDOS/RedSystem/read-web-page 
and play-SDL-WAV. I haven't been able to use cURL to read a web page 
yet, and playing sample.wav appears in the Windows 7 mixer, but I 
haven't had audible sound yet

Made it to restore the web-project for http://development.saphirion.com


That's where we are going to publish our R3 stuff. Still some work 
to do, but you will find our R3 version there, R3-GUI etc.

We have updated our web-site http://development.saphirion.comto 
now include documentation from our SVN. The documentation is written 
in MDP format, dynamically read from the SVN (so you always get the 
latest version), and converted to HTML for inclusion on the page.

For example the WebKit web browser is now:

#include %GTK-WebKit.reds

home: "http://www.red-lang.org/"

with gtk [
	address: function [
		[cdecl]
		field		[entry!]
		browser		[scrolled-window!]
	][
		web-browse  web-get-view browser  get-entry-text field
	]

	browser: browse home

	view [
		maximize
		"Lazy Sunday Afternoon Browser"
		vbox [0
			field [home  :address browser] 0
			browser full 0
		]
	]
]

Hello, now http://rebol.informe.com/portal.htmlworks weel, I''m 
including all Rebol wiki around the web in it. So with just one account, 
you can:
- improve wiki
-discuss of rebol on forum
- upload images on Gallery
-... and much more
Take a look and try...

Thanks Peter. I will report the selling status. We should also watch 
the RT web site PageViewNumber from China since next month  http://www4.clustrmaps.com/zh/counter/maps.php?url=http://www.rebol.com

It is common to use this FAQ entry as a way to make GPL extensions 
that wrap proprietary components: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WindowsRuntimeAndGPL


Developers commonly put links on their web site to the vendor's web 
site to download the DLL. However, it's iffy with GPL2 because the 
actual exception is worded like this:

However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need 
not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source 
or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and 
so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless 
that component itself accompanies the executable.


Read literally, it would exclude runtime libraries that aren't bundled 
with the OS. It's more unambiguously OK with GPL3.

Magazines were fun then .. now you have to do a random walk across 
the web

Fosil web interface is one of the most confusing things I've ever 
seen.

Fossil standardises on UTF-8 and standard line endings in text files. 
I suppose I should not link to single files anymore. From a folder 
in Fossil's web UI, you can at least view those files

If you are using a web browser, yes. If you want to run it, you should 
run GTK-browser

I have the SDK (full encryption strength) and I've been playing with 
the rijndael encryption algorithm. I cut and pasted the code below 
from http://www.rebol.com/how-to/encrypt.htmland it produces 256 
as the port strength despite the strength being stated as 512. Is 
it 256 or 512? The web page says Rebol can provide 512 with rijndael. 
Can it?

port: open [
    scheme: 'crypt
    direction: 'encrypt
    key: akey
    strength: 512
    algorithm: 'rijndael
    padding: true
]
print port/strength


When I switch the algorithm to blowfish I get the expected 512 port 
strength. Is blowfish actually 512?

I need to know what level of encryption I am working with. TIA.

I am supplying text coming from a web page which has been de-markupped.

Try to WRITE to a file the text you read from the web, it might be 
VERY long?

Sunanda: Thanks again for issuing the World invitation. Everyone 
thanks for the continuing help.


I have read the cited document, but it just leaves me with more questions.

Is the following literal?

cgi-string: read-cgi
cgi-block: decode-cgi cgi-string
cgi-obj: make object! cgi-block 


 That is to say should I type exactly that? Or is cgi-string for example 
 a theoretical variable assignment that I could call anything? Are 
 they all proper commands, or is any part of that just for example 
 purposes?  I am thinking I should copy and paste it verbatium. I 
 am also thinking I mispelt verbatum.


 I am stuck with GET. Does this mean I can leave out some code that 
 makes up for  not knowing if the original data is POST vs GET? These 
 are hypothetical questions for better long term learning. I for now 
 will go with the idea that everything is as straight fowarrd as it 
 seems. I know that my GET stream will have "trnEmailAddress" in it 
 which is a field that will contains an email address.


 So will the following  generate a random number, extract the address 
 and email the same random number to that email address?

token: random/seed now/percise

cgi-string: read-cgi
cgi-block: decode-cgi cgi-string
cgi-obj: make object! cgi-block 


send trnEmailAddress rejoin [ "Thank you. Your number is" token "." 
]


 Graham: Thank you for the extra info on GUID, but Windows is not 
 involved here. I realize that random number generating really isn't 
 unless you have a monkey throwing darts at a numbered board. Regardless 
 extra effort to 
make a number unique is useful and your advice appreciated. 


 I do not think the corner cases will come up and the people who control 
 the original form assured me that web page issues warnings if the 
 form is not filled out correct which should help. I do realize that 
 people are idiots, systems are not fool proof, etc. What I am saying 
 is my basic needs are basic and I should be OK so I am not fretting 
 over those examples. It is great though to know the solutions are 
 out there when I need them.

 Tahnks.

The subtitles seem to be kept on their servers. Which is not a problem 
for a video on the web, but for my purpose it is not what I want.

I use Artisteer to prototype web pages, and it saves content in UTF-8. 
Later on, I need to do few adaptations to such generated pages, so 
I opened it in R2, reparsed, inserted some stuff, deleted other, 
but it did not work out ....

any luck with the new release of mod-web-api?

I also added path support for the mod so that you can use the same 
domain for web and api services.

web forms do not send data fields when they are empty or "off", this 
is true for all types IIRC.

If you want the server-sideCGI to send updated values to the client-side 
JS for that JS to update the web form.....You may need to look at 
AJAX -- a way for JS to do just that.

An answer in a not web public group -> Chit chat

just a quick answer, to give you an idea, I've used following to 
extract something from a web page:
b: [] parse/all mypage [
        any [

            thru {<span class="dblClickSpan"} thru ">" copy t to </span>
            (append b trim/lines t) 7 skip
        ]
 ]

I've used the HTML parser from PowerMezz to parse complex web pages 
like that

That came out bigger than planned. I was trying to cut out some repetitive 
fields. It scrapes addresses from a web page and converts them to 
text format

yes - mongrel as a proxy is great, but i was thinking more in terms 
of zed's idea of a language agnostic web server

guys ,i explained my mini project in database and game room ...they 
suggest me this room ! plz help me . my project is about one crossword 
which should show on web page !  i created html form and cgi file 
... when user enter value and press submitt it should save in database 
! my problem is i can not save value from form into database(MYSQL)... 
i am using mysql driver...i can make connectivity and retrieve data 
but i ca not save values ! plz guide me ,i do not have experience 
in REBOL... :(

@Andreas: i could insert data in database ... now i am comparing 
values which user insreted with correct answers ,i got the result 
of that as well but i want show the result to user on web page ,plz 
tell me what should i do?

i could get results on web page but there is a problem...in each 
row of table i can see both values(correct and user value )...i want 
use if condition which shows only  the correct result

Where does open-proto come from in the mysql-protocol.r in the mysql 
driver from softinnov? Word has no value in the version I am using. 
Strange. No complaints when using the script from a location on my 
webspace, trouble when used to connect from my local machine to the 
web MySQL.

guys , i have one project (crossword )which uses mysql database! 
i want use mysql driver ,i know how  we can create table and make 
connectivity with database !  crossword should show on web page ,and 
when user put characters in each field ,then press button ,it will 
chek with database and if it is correct ,user can continue otherwise 
shows error message ....i created crossword table with cgi and is 
working on web ,i have created database as well,now my problem is 
i do not know how can i fetch data and comparing with database? is 
there anybody for helping my mini project????

my understanding of work steps is : i have two files *.cgi and *.r 
 ,in cgi file i created crossword that shows on web page ... in data.r 
 i have made connectivity with database and create table ... and 
my codes are as following : in cgi file:

Create 2 files. Call the first one e.g. cgi-test.html, and upload 
it to your server. The only thing you have to change is the link 
to your .cgi script in there:

<HTML>
<TITLE>Simple Web Form</TITLE>
<BODY>
<b>Simple Web Form</b><p>
<FORM ACTION="http://www.xidys.com/cgi-bin/cgi-test.cgi">
<INPUT TYPE="TEXT" NAME="Field" SIZE="25"><BR>
<INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" NAME="Submit" VALUE="Submit">
</FORM>
</BODY>
</HTML>



Create a second file, called cgi-test.cgi (it has to align to how 
you name it in the above source file). Upload it to your cgi working 
directory. Remember to change the first line to contain the path, 
where your REBOL executable is placed:

#!/usr/local/bin/rebcmd -sqc

REBOL []

print join "Content-type: text/plain" newline
start: now/time/precise

submitted: decode-cgi read-cgi
values: construct submitted

prin "Submitted: " print mold submitted
prin "values: " print mold values
prin "values/field: " print mold values/field

print now/time/precise - start
print newline
 

Now go to your URL, and try to submit some values. You can test it 
on my site at: http://www.xidys.com/cgi-test.html

guys ! could you plz tell me after comparing values of two tables 
how can we show the output on web page?

now how can i write query for everyvalues which are same and print 
correct message on web page?

i could not do the last step ... i should show result of comparing 
values on web page

I cannot see any announcement on the sqlite.org web site? SQLite 
3.7.17 is the latest and recommended version?

Not identical, but almost. Mostly only the documentation has been 
updated - considerably - but that's also on the web sites

We haven't had your precise report about VMware, but it's quite possible 
that those symptoms are just general Syllable behaviour. The browser 
uses the WebKit engine, but it's an older version and the integration 
is incomplete. Many of the more complex web sites can hang the browser, 
and in those cases, Syllable can't close the browser and hangs on 
it when shutting down

Yes, that's the other way to do it, but you probably killed a system 
process instead. Look for the first thread that says "Webster" (the 
web browser) and end that thread. It will take all the other Webster 
child threads with it

From many places, I think. We have a decade of publications all over 
the web

End user X downloads Y's app/uses Y's web site; X tries to access 
a function that uses your site; Y requests a temp key from you; Y 
directs X to your site with temp key, X says Y is OK, you give X 
a PIN; X goes back to Y, enters PIN; Y requests the permanent key 
from you.  Y can now do anything on your site on behalf of X.

Yes; they have a good model, but it's all ugly web technologies

It's a web system currently, but it's prepared to support other platforms. 
My Try REBOL site is made with it

I am new to Git. I'd like to use it (or something similar) to keep 
a distributed copy of a web app I am developing. I'd like copies 
on two local systems (laptop and desktop) with the possibility of 
sharing with another developer based far away and deploying the app 
on my web host.


I sort of get the concept (at least the part about commits, etc), 
but am not really sure how to keep everything in sync. Is it worth 
using a hosting service like GitHub or Bitbucket (I know that perhaps 
defeats the purpose) to assure availability or figuring out how to 
use the web host for this purpose?

To "keep everything in sync" with Git, you have have to do pairwise 
syncs. Each pairwise sync can be initiated from either side, the 
respective commands being "fetch" (from remote to local) and "push" 
(from local to remote).


If you want to keep many separate sites in sync, mediating the sync 
via a central host makes sense (as it avoids the exponential explosion 
of pairwise syncs).


If you have SSH access to your web host, using your web host for 
a central Git repository is trivial (assuming you have - or can get 
- Git installed on the web host).

If I set up the link to the web host from the ME area, does that 
become available to the collaborator? (don't want it to)

Apple's web animation compression :) https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1GWTMLjqQsQS45FWwqNG9ztQTdGF48hQYpjQHR_d1WsI

I would write the structure as a dialect and sub-page generators 
from that. Each page would be a plain text file or a set of files 
which can be separately edited through a simple web interface.

So storing the docs in source format in a DVCS repo would allow us 
to generate static web pages for the docs, avoiding   (potentially 
painful) tweaking and maintainance of a PHP-based wiki engine.

For now, I would just link the docs from red-lang.org and host them 
on static.red-lang.org which points to my own server.


In a few months, when bootstrapped Red will be complete, I would 
like to move all to a new, more appealing web site. I might use a 
github repo for managing the static parts of the web site. I would 
also move the blog to WordPress or anything else than Blogger.

Having the doc string there has the benefit of letting you use Find 
on a web page to help locate what you want by purpose rather than 
name. Having an a.k.a. (Also Known As) annotation could help too. 
I did this for myself when starting with REBOL, noting what equivalent 
funcs were in the environment I was coming from.

This is a new group for all things related to R3, meant to be indexed 
on rebol.org (its web-public)

Is carl going to spring an R3 web chat on us? The last message in 
chat:
#8073: post from Carl 26-Nov:

Yes, the web interface is also working. Top level is a bit slow, 
but other links
 seem to respond ok.

He's just talking about the existing mobile web interface, after 
ignoring it until now

Max, the problem is that most web tools actually suck... not because 
their developpers are bad... but because the web, as a platform sucks... 
in all regards.   its slow, super complex, apps break up every other 
month, and even the basic framework on which the web is layers was 
NEVER meant to be used like it, so even that is corrupted to start 
with.  Also, the apps we use keep changing from under our feet, which 
as a user we have NO control, and it gets very tiresome... it seems 
like every other time I log on to any of the bigger web sites, its 
changed, and I'm lost... again.


I have not seen a single altme-like product which I could chat in 
**real-time** with many people in groups as we do here.   its always 
either super slow, very slugish, insanely complex or insanely dumb. 
 


The only platform which has some appeal so far is the Stack Overflow 
engine, which has a pretty good architecture... but man would it 
be sooo much better if it wasn't built over web technologies...

r3-gui is available. It's not the latest release but works. We are 
going to update it. I need to fix the web-site project as it's currently 
broken.

Maxim, I agree that AltME is a great platform, but it could be much 
better.  For instance, things like the Calendar and Checklists that 
work OK, but are not really polished and feature-rich yet.  But I 
think AltME could be made to look a lot better by borrowing from 
some concepts seen in Facebook and Google+, and maybe even have an 
almost-real-time bi-directional link to a web forum for people who 
need to access the groups from a web browser.


Another thing that I would really prefer would be to allow connection 
to multiple AltME worlds from within a single AltME window.


Hmm...if AltME was also open-sourced, we could start adding these 
features!  I have a more feature-rich calendar I could add right 
away. ;-)

I wonder, if in today's web situation, it would make sense to reopent 
the browser plugin project?