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Doc - I noticed Carl mentioned he is getting BBB for his HW purposes. 
When you will try to hook him into Red, just mention, that we are 
already there too :-)

Oldes: you're right, but the encapped Red is just a convenience to 
make it easier to try and use for anyone as we're getting closer 
to a Red beta.

What's the easiest way to try Red/System? I see do/system and #system 
[ ... ] suggestions in the docs:
http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-17

, but I don't seem to get it to work.

FYI, I should be travelling to China later this year, so I'll try 
to visit PeterWAWood and onetom on the road.

I'll try to have the Android framework ready before going, so I'll 
be able to make some presentations and demos to local Android groups 
wherever I go.

@Doc, Ah yes indeed the download.r script! I need to try to get that 
working here together with fossil.

@amacleod, your question has been answered to your satisfaction regarding 
10:33. My previous answer was my try to give some extra info on the 
whereabouts of the files that Kaj provided,as he has been away for 
an hour or so. At 10:50 I had not received the posts from 10:05 and 
later.

Yes it seems logical. I will try it then!

It' located under the Panneau de configuration (accessible using 
MSConfig) but the problem I have is that I don't have the admin privilege 
to add such a char set - I found one which is described as ARIAL 
MS UNICODE which could do the job. I'll try again...

int-to-float seems OK here, but not * 2: try * 2.0

Thanks Bo for giving it a try. Yup, the tile game is a bit "buggy" 
even at the rebol script level as I wrote it around 3 or 4 AM on 
Friday night(or should I say Saturday morning? ;-)) I tried to quickly 
mimick the 'swipe' gesture but it is not perfect at all. Let's see 
if I can improve it in the new release...or maybe anyone here could 
write simple game in R3 even on Windows that will use the DOWN, UP 
and MOVE mouse events the way so it is fun on touch screen? We can 
embedd it in the new release as a bonus or if there are more demos 
we can create simple menu where you can download it and have fun...anyone? 
;-)

Cyphre and Robert! Thank you so much for the Android release. I can't 
wait to try it out.

Hello MaxV: Congrats to your first R3GUI app! ;-) I have some questions/notes 
though:

1. Why one needs to download the two DLL files to get R3B running?? 
(not much user friendly IMO)


2. On your Blog page you say: "First of all there are some bugs, 
most of them depends on R3GUI, for example this one: https://github.com/angerangel/r3bazaar/issues/8"

I bet this is not related to R3GUI at all but more to your R3B build. 
The REQUEST-FILE works without any problems in our Saphirion build 
(and I think also the "official" Carl's build works well but haven't 
tried it). I tried to download and run your R3B binary and I can 
confirm the bug is related only to this version so it would be fair 
enough if you remove your R3GUI blaming from the blog entry if possible. 
I know R3GUi is not perfect so maybe you can just change the blame 
for some other which is really related to the framework. Or better 
feel free to ask any questions in RgGUI group here!

3. I've looked into the EDITOR function code and comparing to the 
R3 editor code (which is still twice as big as the R3GUI version 
- but I don't know if they match the features though) the R3GUI code 
looks much cleaner and abstracted that the R2 style even if you are 
not expereienced writing R3GUI apps. Some notes:


3.1 I'm curious why are you accessing the internal AREA style value 
like face/names/tb or aa/names/tb/state/value? Is that for some reason? 
Why you don't use the AREA directly like:
do-actor/style face 'on-key arg 'area
instead of
do-actor/style face/names/tb 'on-key arg 'text-box

or

write (to-file AA-INFO/OPTIONS/text-edit) get-face aa


write (to-file AA-INFO/OPTIONS/text-edit) aa/names/tb/state/value 


3.2 There is "classic" but anoying bug. If you open file requester 
and close it without selecting a file the editor errors out. (but 
you probably already noticed)


3.3 Would be great if you add keyboard shortcuts. It's easy to add 
them. See the layouts-15.r3 file in R3GUI Saphirion package as an 
example.


3.4 Maybe you could try to write your first R3GUI style - MENU It 
would be handy in the editor(and also in other apps) instead of the 
buttons on top.


Anyway, thanks for promoting R3 and R3GUI. I appreciate all your 
efforts!

I started my binding first, to try to help Doc make progress towards 
supporting Android. He used some code from it, but he doesn't need 
a complete JNI binding in Red itself

Kaj, thanks for your work. I haven't looked but are there any examples 
that I can try on my devices?

I wonder, if it's worth getting a Raspberry Pi at this point and 
try compile World to it.

Reagarding Saphirion's documentation - maybe it's silly question, 
but could you try to change extension from .mdp to .md and see what's 
the difference on GitHub? I'm sure that it would look a little bit 
better directly in the browser as at least syntex for headers is 
almost similar in MarkDown as in MakeDocPro.

Pekr, I'll try to get a response from Robert, as he decides which 
way to go.

@Gregg, asciidoc uses a header *because* it's a document formatting 
tool.  There's a variety of styles supported .. and it's a pain to 
try and remember but I guess it gets easier with use.  The point 
for me is that it provides entry to docbook and then multiple other 
formats whereas makedoc/pro are stuck in a single page style html 
which is really past it for any serious documentation.

at least you didn`t have to try using it with a touch pad.  *That* 
is frightening.  :-)

If you don't mind I've added some more 'bells' to your script. Try 
this version: http://rebol.atwebpages.com/tests/r3gui-httpget.r3

To se that the asyncs works nicely, just hit the "download" button 
few more times ;)

Next we will try to implement the Windows kernel driver in Red/System, 
but I may still have to use a C version of that

Try rereading my explanation

Arie, try with http://softinnov.org/tmp/mysql-protocol-41.r

@DocKimbel i'll try ...

A big reason to give World a try.

Good news are that there already is a language following this design 
goal:
#[[Wikipedia

One of the design goals of it was that non-programmers—managers, 
supervisors, and users—could read and understand the code. This is 
why it has an English-like syntax and structural elements—including: 
nouns, verbs, clauses, sentences, sections, and divisions. Consequently, 
it is considered by at least one source to be "The most readable, 
understandable and self-documenting programming language in use today. 
[...] Not only does this readability generally assist the maintenance 
process but the older a program gets the more valuable this readability 
becomes." On the other hand, the mere ability to read and understand 
a few lines of its code does not grant to an executive or end user 
the experience and knowledge needed to design, build, and maintain 
large software systems."
#]]Wikipedia

Some other good news:

- the wheel has already been invented:
- the language is mature, having been designed in 1959


So, Giuseppe, aren't you eager to try it? It might be quite an enlightening 
experience for you, realize that you would immediately understand 
the expresions!

None of our arguments is based on real world experiments. So my argument 
are still valid like yours. Ladislav, why don't you try to add this 
feature and lets see if the user will like it ?

Ladislav, why don't you try to add this feature and lets see if the 
user will like it ?
 - I think I did explained it sufficiently:

- such a feature has been implemented in a language since 1959

- I do not feel responsible for implementing every feature you may 
find useful

You could try to follow the Syllable build description

Question 2:  I'm unsure how to set the filter for tt2.  If I try 
(stole this code from probing the facet):

		tt2/facet/filter: make map! [
			1 [value = 1]
		]

it says I cannot access the facet

paul  -- try it: you already can:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/search.r?find=sendmessagetimeout


There is already a win-api domain, so any script can be flagged as 
containing such commands:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/list-all-filters.r

Yeah I actually did try it after I wrote it and was not sure if I 
had luck or if it was somehow indexed that way.  That is cool.

Thanks -- looks like there is a problem with the content-length header 
 (I thought there might be as I remember problems in testing when 
trying to get a value that all browsers were happy with. I think 
I've made IE happy while bemusing Firefox).


I've re-uploaded the script. It now doesn't set a content-length 
header. So, if you try again, it should work. But you may not get 
a download progress bar (because your browser isn't told the length 
in advance)

My apologies for the problem!

Did you try the topic index -- it's intended to categorise what a 
thread is about rather than what words it contains:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=p

Sunanda,  I didn't try that.  I had assumed that search would use 
that index as a key.  Is there a way to search the topic index other 
than by clicking on a letter in the alphebetical list and relying 
on the browser's find functionality?

<< Is there a way to search the topic index other than by clicking 
on a letter>>
In theory:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=probe

takes you straight to the entry (if any) for 'probe.  But that looks 
broken right now....I'll look into it.


Other than that, no.  Only about 80% of the threads are indexed in 
the topic index. When we get closer to 100%. we'll enhance the existing 
search to take account of the topic index.....so results will include 
and be prioritised by the topic index. 

Well, you could try, in Google:
probe site:www.rebol.org inurl:topic

But that (as with any search anywhere) is dependent on Google having 
the page indexed.

Banner...I will try my first one..
--
Do you know....

'Dialects' is Rebol's greatest power ; it allows one to focus on 
expressing and model the the domain in its natural language.

As Reichart says somewhere, Altme REBOL3 is great for quick problem 
solving. But you have to find it first. Like most of the REBOLsphere 
it is close to invisible

(eg eFishAnt's recent serach for a REBOL hex editor. They exist: 
but can you find them?)


REBOL.org is just about the only exception to the invisibleness of 
the REBOLsphere -- try looking in Google for
   script library
as an example.

There is a bug in Repack script.


Each time I use it and I try to set the target directory, then clicking 
OK in the selection window terminate the script !!
ANNOYING !!!

Thanks for the error report.

It works for me.....At least on the versions of REBOL I am running.
What rebol.exe or view.exe are you running?
---

As a stop-gap, you could try running repack-core.  it's an ugly console-only 
version of repeck, but it should be less version-sensitive:
   do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack-core.r

Thanks.
That looks like a different problem to DideC's.

Your problem seems to be a traditional REBOL annoyance with paths 
that contain spaces....

qml-ed.r is tripping up over those spaces in "Dokumente und Einstellungen 
"
---

Could you try it in a folder whose path and name do not contain spaces 
to test that assumption?  Thanks!

but i try.

that rebol works here to. also when i start it from real console 
and logout. did you try really try the redirects of stdin and stderr?

I'm currently trying to filter IP addresses that try to log into 
my SSH server. For this I use a tool "swatch" and "iptables" to filter 
them.

Hi everyone,
I have a problem running the new view beta on suse 9.3.

I have libstdc++ 5, I can run rebol scripts (that need 1.3), but 
I can't start the desktop (I double-click the rebol icon, it just 
flashes -starts and stops immediatky-).
I'm new to Linux so this might be a known issue. 

I tried moving the VM to various places but same result at every 
try.
Maybe someone can help ?

Jonathan, try to launch rebol from the console rather than by double-clicking 
on the icon. Also, make sure you launch rebol from a place you have 
write access. For example, i installed rebol within /opt/rebol-cmd/bin 
but I do not have write access on this folder. So, from my home folder, 
i launch rebol like this: /opt/rebol-cmd/bin/rebview

I need to prepare some installation instructions for our polish partner. 
I will do some scripts to access mySQL on their server, using rebol, 
but I will not have access to the site. So I want to be well prepared, 
so they don't get annoyed after writing them tens of times "try that, 
try this" etc. :-)

try to download mpeg4ip, it is a mp4-only player/encoder. that should 
in theory work...

maybe you can do it by adding a new hd to the server. still a non-trivial 
task though, and i would try it on a local machine at least twice 
before attempting on a remote machine. :)

easy to use =  Xandros, linspire, mepis, pcbsd. I personally use 
linspire ( the only one that finds all my hardware and it works), 
mepis is real nice but it won't detect my 4 port lan ( only 2 ports) 
Xandros crashes with my video card, pcbsd ( freebsd) is very nice 
but right know it has issues with flat monitors, Oh Oh you can try 
PClinuxOS it is easy too and with a lot of eye candy.

When I try to encap it, it doesn't run anymore.

Try this How to - Quick & Easy CGI at http://www.rebol.com/docs/cgi1.html

or try it from one of the system-consoles, utside x.

OK. something else to try. clutching at straws. Sometimes illegal 
chars before rebol header. Try removing the blank line between !path-to-rebol 
& REBOL [] line

Not sure if I want to even try, if time.r doesn't work :-D

I will try to find my config .conf and send it to you by email ...

Hi Pekr, Rebol/Cmd works fine with lighttpd and LiteSpeed Web Servers. 
I configure succesfully those web servers to work with rebol/cmd 
as static server (i did not try as external server but this sould 
work too). But I did not succeed with Apache!

You are right. So i will try on Apache Linux. It shoud work as I 
succeeded with both lighttpd and litespeed. By the way, these two 
web server are very good and so easy to configure (specially LiteSpeed)...

Max, we can't tell if we really need it until we get to try it out 
;)

well anyone wanting to pull up his sleeves a little and who doesn't 
mind getting started by chatting over the course of a week, to figure 
out things is welcome to try it out.   Remark is my most finished 
tool of all.  It has been release level for a long time...

Try control-F5.  In IE it is a "stronger" refresh than just F5. So 
it might be similar on Opera.

let me try all

that's right I was going to try to program -- testing

and altme chokes on me, whenever I try to save settings

css may well try to isolate presentation layer, but imo it fails. 
You have box aproach, but let's relate it to VID area - the text 
in css terms will hide, if it is longer than the visible area, but 
- where is scroll-bar? Correct me if I am wrong, but you simply need 
'if and other good functions to program it exactly the way you want 
...

Also, CSS designs are typically faster -- less code, not so much 
nested table calculation.  Try this book -- http://www.zeldman.com/dwws/

try e.g. http://www.dxt.czand choose whatever category on the left 
... products are placed in a grid (table). I wonder if you would 
use table or go without it ...

They are both divs so there is an implied newline between them.
Try adding
display:inline
to the footer.

Try putting the footer inside the other div:
<div class="processingtime">some processing time
<div class="footer">some trademarks stuffs</div></div>
and as inline or (in this case) <span>

D'oh!  The footer comes second.  Anyway, try --

.processingtime {width: 50%; float: left;}
.footer {width: 50%; float: right; text-align: right;}

stupid FTP client... try again :-)

Interesting: just downloaded this free ActionScript compiler http://www.mtasc.org/
and will try if it would be possible to integrate it with the rswf 
(so I could use *.as file for actions without need to parse it in 
Rebol)

Oldes, I'm still amazed at this dialect and the sites you have created. 
I wonder if you have a list of the commands that are being used. 
I've been going through the examples to try to figure out what does 
what but it seems like a list would be faster. Thanks.

Thanks Oldes, I will try that. The dialect and AS are becoming clearer 
now with all the info you have given me. I look forward to writing 
lots of cool things. Thanks for the hint about the two main parts. 
I wondered how they were connected as most of the AS tutorial have 
you create something with the GUI then add the AS part.

I've putted together the missing functions in /core 2.7.5, taken 
from /view in the swf-in-core.r file, try this:
move to the appropriate directory, then:
do http://reboot.ch/rebol/swf/swf-on-core.r

make-swf/save/html http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/examples/swf8/swf8-convolution1.rswf

And please feel free to hack at it, try exploting buffer overruns, 
etc.

Security Issues:

- We should to be able to restrict with the secure native what files 
and dlls the plugin can access.

- The default security of the RT-provided plugin (not encapped by 
a third-party) should prohibit any access to any local files or libraries 
at all, even in the same directory as the script, and prohibit access 
to third-party network addresses as well. Or at least ask.

- There should be some way to access the site's cookies from the 
plugin, because there shouldn't be any other way to store local data 
on the client computer's hard drive. Anything short of that will 
be a security hole.

- There should be no way to reduce the default security of the plugin 
through the use of plugin params.

- Any attempt to reduce access should prompt the user for permission, 
in terms a non-technical user can understand. This means rewriting 
the security dialogs to be more user-friendly.

- Any relaxation of these default security restrictions should require 
encapping the script.

- A user (or their lawyer) should to be able to (perhaps through 
RT) track down the author of any encapped script.

- An encapped script should count as a seperate plugin as far as 
the user is concerned, at least as far as permission-to-install is 
concerned.


Basically, the default security of the plugin should not allow scripts 
to do anything you wouldn't want your worst enemy to do on your computer. 
People will try to use this plugin for advertisements, for webbugs, 
for spyware, for every nasty thing that you aren't evil enough to 
think of. Avoiding that kind of thing should be the focus of the 
default security settings. Anything less will make the plugin unsafe 
to install.

Henrik, if someone wants to run an anonymous browser script in /View 
they are welcome to try, but the browser integration won't be there 
so the script may not work.

Hello Josh! I have one request. Try to run this:

under IE:
http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-ie.html

under Mozilla/FF etc.:
http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-moz.html


Drag the green box using mouse and try to move it quickly over the 
screen. You can see the time lag when the green box is updating the 
position.

Now try this from normal Rebol/View console:
do http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-moz-test.r


You can see there is no lag and the green box is updated very quickly.

Do yo have any idea what could cause this difference?

my specualtions: 

1. Are you always blitting the whole screen in the plugin versions? 
This could cause the slowdown as there should be updated only the 
part with green box on the screen.

2. Could be the slowdown cause by different(higher)  amount of mouse 
events which are pumped from browser to the plugin?

cyphre, try resizing the browser window to fit the plugin. it doesn't 
speed up, so it might be something with mouse events

I agree with Maxim. Most people out there in the world don't have 
any reason to trust Rebol or Rebol Technology. It might be just another 
spyware company for all they know. Why would they (initially) want 
to allow an automatic software corridor into their computer ? It's 
an issue of trust. First let them try it out, then when they like 
what they see, allow them to enable more automatic security updates 
if they want.

But I will try to express my opinion here for those various topics:

2) Installation - I like several versions installation - IIRC even 
Java can coexist? I use it with mozilla - I run Mozilla suite or 
Seamonkey, various versions from various locations - they do share 
profile - settings, sandbox .... 'Needs field could work for us too. 
If the app specifies it, try to locate particular version. If such 
version is not available, display dialog, where you preselect latest 
version and provide with list-box, with ability to manually choose 
from available versions ... and "run" button ....

Did anybody try Cyphre's http://www.rebol.net/plugin/moz-1/cyphre-demo.html
in Mozilla? In Seamonkey I get sligtly different results than when 
it is being run in View directly ... e.g no sound, the wheels (second 
sequence) are blinking strangerly, there some some white-page breaks 
with nothing displayed, whereas in View there is some text ... (IIRC 
e.g. Sea Dream in the beginning is missing in browser)

Pekr: actually, I'm sure there is, that's why you are asking. Can 
you explain the problem in a little more detail? You need that auto-config 
script interpreted? Maybe it would be easier to configure REBOL to 
rad the auto-configure script than to try to get IE to parse it and 
get the details via an API. Thoughts?

doesn't IE already do netscape-style plugins?  I've never had any 
troubles running any plugin with IE.  It''s always been the other 
way around, where IE was the only browser that did ActiveX, well, 
until Neptune.   I guess I should try to make demo page with latest 
Moz plugin release before I pipe up.

For me the plugin download on the page Josh sent a link for. However, 
when I try to run the examples, none of them will work. This is on 
IE.

Louis: try a restart of your computer. that may free up any IE resources 
that are in use.

Did you try the test page at http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/test.html?

Try with the source version, not the encapped one.

I'm not sure, if you can run it from Rebol/Base, you may try it.

maarten, thanks, I'm needing it too.  if cheyenne can handle big 
loads, and SSL, there is a good chance I'll try to use it.  The release 
commes out at a really good time for me.

Will "Mike, I started using Apache and rebol as cgi, this is not 
suited for performances as on every call to the cgi, a new instance 
of rebol is  initialized, run and closed.

I thought about using fastcgi, but never came to a working solution.
Now I use uniserve as main webserver, here some advantages:

-it is fast! On my local machine I get +- 600 req/sec for static 
pages and a max of 160req/sec for dynamic rsp pages

-it is written in rebol, I could easly(less than 10 lines code) add 
a rewrite engine

-child process are persistent, this mean you can keep state of your 
web applications, implement caching, keep a pool of connection to 
databases open (in apache + rebol/cgi you'd have to open and close 
the connection for every request)
-it is written by Dock whom I may be the biggest fan ;-)

btw I'm running an unreleased version (have bought commercial support) 
 that support http 1.1, stuff like If-Modified etc..

If you have more specific questions, I'll be glad to try and answer."

Doc, I am also one of your fans. I've been going to your web site 
regularly to see if Cheyenne was released. I was excited to be able 
to download it. But I have a problem. Cheyenne loads fine, but when 
I try to test the links on the index.html page they fail. What am 
I doing wrong?

Thanks for your code, I'll give it a try. Btw, IE has 85% market 
share (according to a recent article on osnews.com).

If you're using cheyenne.r to try to start your service, that's logical 
: only the HTTPd service is loaded, see cheyenne.r source code. If 
you want to add your own service to cheyenne, add it to cheyenne.r. 
If you don't want cheyenne, just write your own launch script.

I will try to write to Carl :-)

if you promise that you'll try it out, I'll put it online.

actually I've read it, but have no time right now to try it. I'm 
still looking for some web managment so I can rework my web, but 
the time...that's the problem :) I'm using just "all groups" and 
check red groups for anything interesting :)

Ok. Definitely will try it .. why do they have a how to that's so 
difficult ??