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it is creepy when this list gets sooo silent for long periods of 
time...

just need more pple in each different time zone

IMO making a xxcopy clone can't be that hard but of course it takes 
some time... BTW: xxcopy is sold for 40 EUR per license and it seems 
to be the only tool with such a feature set.

Has anyone thought about advertisement kiosk  network? Maybe kiosks 
are not the correct word. Let me explain. Some time ago I watched 
Scala Multimedia and how it is used, mainly in US. It can take sources 
from various parts and play them. The, when we at Xidys paid for 
one local media advertisement, it was some 5x7 cm and it costed us 
5K CZK = 218 USD. Quite a lot of money, as it was just local paper, 
issued weekly. Then I visited other town and saw one advertisement 
pannel of one computer shop, it was that typical rolled kind of equipment, 
like watching panel at airport telling when planes take-off ....

I also found that each reality selling companies has own panels, 
just static, behind some window, mounted or wall etc. Then I got 
the idea of network of kiosks or at least LCD panels (they will be 
cheaper and cheaper), wi-fi connected. Then IOS could be used, some 
reblet produced, so that various companies could buy their advertisement 
time ...

seems to have a lot of discussions going on these few days in various 
groups. Having  a hard time catching up ..

We just love acronyms in this day and time don't we? ;-)

and time

linux users who fill uo their homes with altme cores every time they 
shutdown ...

I get a core dump  from rebol/altme every time I shut altme down 
on linux

or too strongly promote altme on linux... its great! except for the 
core dump every time you use it

I wonder, if Altme a) uses at least TWO machines to connect to for 
lookup purposes like DNS does b) can remember IP address so next 
time look-up server is not available, it can try direct IP connection 
.... if not, it is imo plain stupid as at least b) imo would not 
take more than few hours for programmer to add .... now Peter will 
come once again, and call it - "unreliable" :-)

Well... Partially truth. The name server is consulted all the time. 
At least from my pkt trace. I am looking more deeply into it.

The msg are sent encrypted between server and client. But the name 
server is consulted all the time to know if there are msg waiting 
or something similar. I ma not quite sure why the name server keeps 
engaged after initial resolving.

Tomc wrote "safeworlds did have a good long run with no downtime, 
but stuff happens eventually"


Thank you, and yes we did.  The error that happened today was fixed, 
and an additional check is now being made to prevent that from happening 
again in the future.


One thing I can clearly say is that each problem has been unique, 
and each time one happens (a severe failure) we stop everything and 
jump on it, and in addition to correcting the current problem, write 
code to prevent the same problem from happening in the future.


We have been down less than Live Journal, which has millions of people, 
and hundreds of servers for the same time period.  So we rock!

Modesty is a disease, and it wastes time, and truncates communication, 
which are both ethical crimes.

The first time I tried policing .. someone broke my leg :(

If i  paid $.02 for every time someone felt the need to criticize 
my $.02 worth, I'd owe AT LEAST a $1.50 by now.

>> load "193.194.70.123"
== 193.194.70.123
>> load "234.221.23.5:3380"
** Syntax Error: Invalid time -- 234.221.23.5:3380
** Near: (line 1) 234.221.23.5:3380

I ahve a easier time maling the function than the library header

If you've got the time to rescue your forgotten gems and release 
them via REBOL.org, we'd all benefit from that.

I'll wait for the for the next rebol release before picking through 
the time capsule, some of the old scripts were obsoleted with later 
built-in functions.

It's not the first time.

The embarrassing thing is that this is not the first time I've accidentally 
erased a part of my site. I still hadn't learned my lesson, I guess. 
:-)

A stat I use is based on Moore's Law....size (for same feature set) 
 makes REBOL a win every time.

The main stat I use is 
do I like it?"" ... mine is "time to market".

I might make a util some time for doing all this so that before you 
install software you can quickly undo the changes.

There are many Colin.  I would get more specific if I had more time. 
 But the browser keys for internet explorer in both and default users 
key as well as any established user keys.  Also a mus tis the RUN 
keys in the same.  Deny access for the proper group your account 
or others accounts on the machine are using.  There is also the shell 
key you would  want to protect also as many viruses like to alter 
the shell line.  Put permissions on autoexec.bat autoexec.nt  win.ini 
system.ini config.sys  and config.nt also.

Clipboard is broken in Altme most of the time

there is one issue which is SO ANNOYING, I sometimes close altme 
before throwing out my computer by the window.

 when the display becomes a blue screen if the client loses its connection 
 with the server...


this is both useless and highly irritating, cause when the world 
re-connects (99% of the time on its own) you have to re-click on 
the group, which looses the "unread msg" beige highlight.  it also 
forces you to have to re-click on the text entry with the mouse.


when your internet connection is buggy or a server has troubles... 
disconnection may happen repetitively every few seconds.  the blue 
just makes altme unusable in a situation where it should just stall, 
until a new message is sent.


when a world disconnects, it should just change the color of something 
or put a label somewhere obvious in red color... but don't touch 
the GUI's functionality.... please

True... I think the trick might be to make it look like it used to, 
but put a [Sending] message at the top (for example).  You can go 
on and send more, which get cached.  If anyone fails to send, or 
too much time goes by it changes to something like like ["Timed out"]. 
 This is a button in fact, so clicking on it will let you resend, 
and you have not lost the message, or where to post it.


This is our plan on Qtask well, which indeed is JS crap.  Bit by 
bit we are all in this industry figuring out how to make everything 
"Feel" better.  Sometimes it is simply reversing the order of things. 
 Same time, but it just looks better...

Perhaps being the most prolific poster of all time has its priviliges

hehe... if you didn't know how to manage groups by this time then... 
there would be a serious mental issue  ;-)

Tried to go back to version 1.2.17 of altme, keeps updating to the 
current version. And under windows 7, when I delete the program from 
the program directory and copy the older version altme, it doesn't 
even ask me if I want to update now or next time, it just starts 
with the latest version! It's frustrating. I want the old version 
back - without the grey frozen box.

Yes, IIRC 380 was the same one as last time, some Javascript code 
where someone was asking about an exploit

There is a point with any data set where you have to decide "how" 
to present the data fast.

Usually levels of caches, and prediction can make this seem real 
time, andonly when you go to edit something do things slow down in 
the background.

Almost every system out there that is fast in fact shows some subset 
(like 100 lines) at a time. the pulls in the next.
AltME was an all or nothing thing.

And, I don't care if using SQLite adds 50% overhead as long is it's 
instant when I click. Time is valuable, not space.

Does Altme have any way of excluding specified groups so I don't 
see them at all?  There are many groups  that Ilike to watch and 
a few that I want to make invisible (but just until the end of time)?

Good luck with the email ...


Please contact the server administrator, [root-:-localhost] and inform 
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have 
done that may have caused the error.

Pekr, Lost my worlds too. First time since we thought we had figured 
out the problem...

Actually this looks pretty simple to do but may require an instance 
of altme running all the time

I'm a lazzy guy, so I didn't take the time to put this on Rebol.org, 
but I have a script to read and display/export the local altme files.
http://membres.multimania.fr/didec/rebol/altme-chat-reader.r

Installation : the simple use is to put the script in your altme 
install folder and run it.


You can browse any group in any altme worlds configured on your system. 

You can scroll the entire list of messages in a group (scrool wheel 
enable). Messages are displayed like in altme (formating).
You can export the group in an Html file with formating kept.

Missing : doesn't diplay private chats (user chats).

Bugs : right click menu close the program after use (anoying isn't 
it ?)


There is no search function. But if you have time, you can mix this 
script with the skimp-altme-file script on rebol.org.

I ignored it, but it was used the next time I started AltMe.

Once upon a time, browsers sending referrers was considered a breach 
of privacy.

Today there is this great plugin for firefox that try to anonymize 
your searches on google

http://www.googlesharing.net/. I thing it's useful, I wanted to 
share.
Are altMe private chats secure from say, Reichart?
 ;-)
Should we give out our privacy?

People's different meaning about privacy, would also be interesting.

These are some examples that I see would have fit in a privacy group.

I don't know how much we woudl gain Paul, and I do consider when 
and what to clean up from time to time. Your point is noted.

I looked up an old post (2007) talking about how to start Altme Worlds 
on windows start-up. Brock had the answer but I could never get it 
to work. Three years later, I decided to try again. Here are some 
lessons I learned along the way:

Precautions:

You may want to back up the altme folder just in case something goes 
awry. You will also need to know where the files are located.

You may also want to create another temporary worldmaster user and 
note the password. If you're like me, it has been a long time since 
I had to type in the user password.


1. Before you turn off your worlds, go to http://www.altme.com/check.html
and check your world(s). Note the port number and write it down.

2. Create a shortcut icon on your desktop to altme if you don't already 
have one. Do this by right clicking on altme and select "Send to/Desktop."

2. Right mouse click your "Start" menu (I only did this in XP so 
adjust for any changes you might have in your OS) and choose "Explore." 
An "explorer" window will open.

3. Go to the "Start Menu" folder in the the explorer folder tree 
in the left column. In the right column open up "programs" then open 
up "Startup."

4. Drag the altme shortcut icon from the desktop to the startup folder.

5. If you have more than one world, right-click on the just added 
altme shortcut icon and rename it to something like altme-worldname.

6. Show the properties of the just added altme icon by right-clicking 
and choosing properties.

7. There, in the "Target" field, you will add on to what should already 
be there. It should have something like: "C:\Program Files\altme\altme.exe", 
telling the OS where to find altme and the name of the actual program. 
As you may know, the quotes are there because the "Program Files" 
folder has a space in it. Leave it as is and add:

-s "yourworldname" - p the-port-number. E.g., "C:\Program Files\altme\altme.exe" 
-s "myworld" -p 5402. Do not close the properties window but continue 
to the next step.

8. Below the "Target" field you will see the "Start in" field. There, 
enter where altme and its server files exist. The top level folder 
is enough. E.g., "C:\Program Files\altme\" 

9. Apply the changes to the properties and try it out by making sure 
the world is not running and then clicking on the altme icon in the 
Startup folder. This saves you from having to reboot if a mistake 
was made. You should see the familiar altme server window pop up.

10. You need to also check by logging into the world through the 
client. If you can and the data is all there. Great. The only thing 
left is to reboot and make sure it loads by itself.

11. Repeat for all the worlds you have. You'll end up with n altme 
icons each with a different name. 

Things that went wrong:
Before the server could be launched properly via the icon

1. Getting the wrong syntax in the properties/Target. - I thought 
everything had to be enclosed in a single quote string but it doesn't.
After the server was launched

1. Couldn't connect to the altme world - Seem to be related to the 
port #'s I was using. I went back and launched the worlds the manual 
way and checked the ports on the altme website.

2. Could connect but no users. - This had to do with "Start in" info 
or lack thereof. Altme was looking for the data in the Startup folder 
as opposed to my regular altme folder. Your actual data should be 
fine and of course you made a backup, right?

3. Some data (posts) got mixed up - Who knows on that one. I made 
so many attempts, I may have confused something.

4. My user profile was gone or had a different name. - Again, my 
guess is that this was due to the "Start in" info. Worst case, try 
the default "Master" "pass" user. I ended up using another known 
user (hence, my advice to create a temp worldmaster user), then I 
renamed the user I knew was me to me. Weird but it happened in a 
couple of my worlds but only to my profile.

5. I made a copy of the actual altme.exe and named it altme2.exe 
thinking that perhaps this was the problem. The target was then changed 
to reflect it. Don't do this, it  is not necessary and may freak 
you out.


Now I have 4 worlds up and automatically running when I need to reboot 
the server. Yea.

Thanks Reichart and Brock. I'm a happy camper now and can reboot 
my server any time without that  oh man, now I have to start all 
those worlds again. :-)

Hello everybody, anytime I start AltMe I receive the message that 
there is a file to download. If I click yes, I obtain (you aren't 
allowed). If I click no, next time I start AltMe I obtain again the 
message.
Is there a way  to stop this pop-up?

I press [No], then it opens a file requester, so I press "Cancel" 
and that minimizes the edit-tools app. Is this an april fools joke 
that no-one discovered in time ?

thats the first-time opened file, if you use the multi-file-version. 
missing files are created. then it thinks that missing file on disk 
is diferent to that empty edited file and -hu, more problems?

timer: sensor 1x1 rate 0:01 feel [
        engage: func [face action event] [
            if all [action = 'time] [
                do-face face none
            ]
        ]
    ]

Thank you  =^)


And I like the idea, maybe if I have spare time I'll attempt a bit 
better one....

but in fact the GC is problematic I would prefer a dealloc/realloc 
each time a ": " is found by the REBOL  code parse engine ;)

when I get time...

when I get time... :-) I'm really hung up right now

I hope youcould helpme to solve this problem it's a long time since 
I'm trying to solve it

I  wonder why scrollers have such terrible lag on 1.8GHz pentium. 
Although new demo si cool, I wonder if REBOL it is not able to provide 
us with real-time feeling even if AGG is on-board?

Could you try following on your system? Run new View alpha, go to 
desktop, run Bubbles and then start Particles demo - both demos slow 
down dramatically. Those are separated processes though (that can 
be proven by closing the Desktop - demos will stay running). Cyphre's 
theory is, that it is normal, and that CPU usage is high and so OS 
have to divide its CPU time between the two. But normally my PC can 
run several videos without noticable glitch, I wonder if Rebol will 
give it a hard time ...

simple Particles demo takes 80% of CPU time ...  that is not normal 
behavior imo ...

Bubbles was made to always take 100% of your CPU time. it easily 
gets to 50+ fps, and this is a great result considering the amount 
of work it is doing.

put in a 'wait for a short amount of time and cpu usage may drop 
dramatically. it works well with responsiveness for scrolling large 
panes even if the frame rate drops a bit

I've been looking at %view-edit.r recently (and Romano's excellent 
http://www.rebol.it/~romano/edit-text-undo.txt), and have the following 
three code change suggestions:


1) Allow Shift-Tab to cycle back through the first / last pane objects 
(as Tab does):

	back-field: func [face /local item][
		all	[
			item: find face/parent-face/pane face

   any [if head? item [item: tail item] true] ; new line added here
			while [face <> first item: back item][
			...

2) Implement a new function to hilight the current word.

	current-word: function [str] [s ns] [
		set [s] word-limits
		s: any [all [s: find/reverse str s next s] head str]
		set [ns] word-limits
		ns: any [find str ns tail str]
		;	hilight word
		hilight-text s ns
		show view*/focal-face
	]


3) Refactor the engage / down action to allow double-click selection 
of a word (something I use all the time in almost every editor I 
use).

Current code:

	down [
		either not-equal? face view*/focal-face [
			focus face
			view*/caret: offset-to-caret face event/offset
		][
			view*/highlight-start:
			view*/highlight-end: none
			view*/caret: offset-to-caret face event/offset
		]
		show face
	]

Proposed change:

	down [
		either event/double-click [
			current-word view*/caret
		][
			either face <> view*/focal-face [focus face] [unlight-text]
			view*/caret: offset-to-caret face event/offset
			show face
		]
	]

Comments?

Yes, but if it were about changing the font, that probably may be 
possible by changing the fields font dynamically at the right time, 
may be by modifing CTX-TEXT.

What I meant is the way highlighting is "drawn". It looks much like 
if the text is rendered inverse with some sort of keying. You'll 
see what I'm trying to express by looking at


view layout [field "MMM" 210x100 effect [gradient 1x0 blue red] bold 
font-size 78]


and selecting the text. Obviously something like FONT [COLORS: REDUCE 
[WHITE BLACK]] here doesn't work, because FIELD/FEEL (i.e. SWIPE) 
doesn't make use of FONT/COLORS.

But more so, it seems like it's currently technially impossible to 
do so. In the end, the answer really seems to be No! for now.

Maybe I'll find "a little spare time" to do a field which draws it's 
text in the effect block and rewrite the stilll somewhat buggy text 
editing functions ;-)

(Not a serious comment though, because that's definitly not the league 
I'm playing in.)

Is there a way to show a pop-requester with a time-out? I want to 
show if for X seconds and if nothing happens return a default action.

It's not a final version, but is completely usable. What is not finish 
is the editor for the rules.

So, this rules are stored in the rules.txt file (this file appear 
after your run it one time) and should be edit manually.

pekr, yes, it's bitmap. I noticed someone asked about a performance 
measuring tool for AGG perspective mapping, but I didn't have much 
time, so it became a rotation zoomer.

Viewtop source has been open for a long time now, but the only one 
who did anything with it, AFAIK, was Volker.

ashley: I can't determine font size at layout time

Ah, should have mentioned that it's not necessary to do that *everytime* 
you change the fontsize. It's necessary only for the first time you 
alter it.

Since the very beginning of VID we have seen lot intent of widgets 
improvements make by pationnated people but we never take the time 
to enclose those work into a trully thinked system that's why we 
don't have a reable and durable widget design effort and RebGUI  
tryes to fit this need

layout is a translation stage ...  this is not usefull you lost CPU 
time and memory for not a real gain ;)

how is that? Even with VID, you can set facets to 'none, if you don't 
need them. And layout is involved only during parse and VID decomposing 
phase, not later, so imo only time it takes is to initially parse 
and build View face level hierarchy, no? Then there is imo no difference 
from RebGUI.

Yes, Petr, if you use VID correctly, you setup your UI *once*, and 
this must done either way. That's why today's apps often have a long 
load time and entertain the user with a splash screen.

no, that's not the same principle, in Cyphre demo I used "engage: 
func [f a e][switch a [time [something]]]....." so it renders ONLY 
when time-event comes, in Rebcircle is "engage: func [f a e][something]...." 
so new image is rendered on every event.

the you need also "source editor". this time really source, because 
it is small. ;)

LAYOUT does not DO-EVENTS a second time, therefore it does not "break" 
a block of code being done by ... wake-event (I think).

Volker, it playing images wasn't my idea at the time. It's cool though.

its the first time i see quit not quit. IMHO a bug.

is that because of nested layout? Is that becuse I re-define lay2 
in memory for the second time and it confuses rebol?

I think that I redefine lay2 for the second time, so that rebol looses 
reference to the first one, and so unview is not able to unview first 
instance of window ...., so maybe actually my bug, not rebol's? :-)

Pekr>Try to press "Return" button on lay2 - it does not work anymore 
...


It still works back in View 1.2.47... (I'm sticking with this version 
for a short time longer.. )

Perhaps it is time to consider a VID community documentation project 
?

Pekr: It is a good time to start looking at the next VID, and see 
what else from the VID project can be used. You are in the best position 
to identify which of those pieces are finished or worth pursuing.

problem 2) is: this whole issue needs discussion. we need to discuss 
it with the community and the team; then Carl has the final answer. 
so, if community prefers some changes to VID rather than VID2... 
no point in wasting time with VID2. and so on.

I just cannot remember who at that time ( probably a french guy) 
mentioned a workround to trick /View but I think this is a bug that 
must be fixed

You can also do face/action when face/data changes. However, I found 
that it is *not* a good place to use TO-IMAGE (which might be in 
the face/action), because the latest image of the face has not been 
rendered yet.  Redraw's 'draw action occurs just *before* the face 
is rendered. So to get a chance to make a snapshot of the face using 
TO-IMAGE, I propose a  new redraw action, 'view, be sent after the 
face has fully rendered, allowing TO-IMAGE to be used at the right 
time.

Kru, I noticed some things in your demo code: tachomtr.r
- COPY COMPOSE not needed, COMPOSE does a copy for you already.
- repeat i 10 [...]

where i is not used in the code block (you have a couple of those)
can become
  loop 10 [...]

This saves creating a context with the word 'i in it each time (which 
is what REPEAT does internally).

Not always-on-top. The Window becomes active (take OS window focus) 
or task bar button blinks each time you 'show the window.

Levelarc is nice but unfortunately shows some small but noticeable 
inaccuracies in agg (implementation ?). Not a showstopper and hopefully 
they will be fixed in good time.

IIm not often complaining but Im getting a bit disapointed about 
this.....Well anyway.. Im killing GUI time here with some alternatives...Hope 
RT do  thier best..

so the "display-face" has to be the same all the time. means, either 
copy your data in it, as you do within a supply-block. Or put your 
face in display-face/pane.

IIRC I once did such trick and I used to redefine 'effect part, but 
it was long time ago ... it is imo pity that such stupid simple things 
require hacker aproach to styles

maybe thats feedback too? none stops, integer is "frames"/sec, a 
time the delay.

my friend who codes in View after some time would like to ask, what 
changed in "focus" system since 1.2.1 - were there any changes since 
then?

Thanks again... my plan on the VID quiz was to post it on the script 
library when I get it working in 1.3.  

Then if it is worthwhile some new special effects can be added like 
blinking or sound or some graphing of results and journalling of 
scores.   


The hard part is still looking at the subject material and extracting 
questions that lead to some understanding of the material.
     

But once that is done, a student can review  dozens or hundreds of 
questions repeatedly in a different order each time.  


And a new quiz can be added just using a text file in rebol block 
format.  

And of course, the VID script and the data files could be internet 
read instead of being local.

re changing "non default" facets, we held that discussion some time 
ago. I am still used to old fashioned oop method of having accessors/handlers 
for lots of things ... not just set-face, get-face ... ;-)

VID works like "customize at creation-time". thats enough for simple 
things. other guis even do not allow" more. If you could change the 
color of a button, they say about "user-guidelines" and "l&f", and 
that a red button is absolutely not discusable.

Hello y'all. Does anyone know how to correct the following? I have 
a "list" of toggle buttons in four columns. When I select one of 
them, any time I move my mouse, it will continue to select any button 
in the same column that the mouse pointer passes over. The same thing 
happens with text buttons.

Does anyone have a good performance with Rebol/view and i.e. Hummingbird 
Remote Desktop?  Seems Rebol is quiet slow here where GTK GUI is 
flashing over my screen my Rebol gui's do need far more time..
Any hint of tip is welcome..